777 Captains to 380 again
 

Yet another blow to the 330/340 guys!

Where has this been documented out of interest? I'm sure it's in the pipeline tho

You can't be serious to think that any Boring driver would want to defect to the whale?

Just had to get in there before the "mines better than yours" bunch came into the fight pit.

JS

Laker:

They will get interest. The 380 does not offload bags. 777 is notorious for having the most "wankers" as the cabin crew describe. DEC's on the 380? Not going to happen. Maybe the 777 again. The 380 as a commercial failure? Perhaps, but at the price EK is paying for them. Highly doubtful.

God... Here we go.

Not True Saltaire,

I spoke with a cabin crew manager who said they put all crew through a day of training focused solely on dealing with 380 pilots since they tend to be so "odd." They learn about identifying anti-social behavior and how to effect a positive outcome when working with such people.

I've also spoken with the wife of an SVP's shoe shiner who said that the company is very disappointed in the 380 payload. It's either passengers or bags. Not both. That's why we have freighters flying 20 miles in trail on most of the 380 US destinations. Oh and the 380 looks funny. :=

Laker you should get a real job! The boredom is obviously getting too much for you!

This is all news to me but would they likely open up the invitation to F/O's as well as and when?

Laker, it is true. I fly the thing. Rumor all you like. So we take 500 passengers without bags? Interesting...

Agreed, it's not the prettiest thing in the sky, but the extra space, air quality, lounge bar etc. seem to be popular. Oh, and it's slowly taking most of the ULR destinations. Pretty or not :O

Maybe you should speak with Tim Clark?

The freighter is doing more US routes, that much is true. However it's not due to the A380 having to leave bags behind, this, as we all know, was a petty rumour started by some jealous chaps who no longer flew the shiniest jet. There are more freighter flights simply because the company are making huge profits from flying cargo around. They clearly prefer the 380 for flying people around these routes.

As for Mr Laker's suggestion that the pilots are 'odd' and the cabin crew have a day of training to address this, what a ridiculous statement. I hope this was an attempt at humour.

You see, the truth is, there are colleagues that we all find 'odd' from time to time. I am lucky to have been on the 330/340 which happens to suit my life outside of work. The pilots I work with are mostly a fantastic bunch and those I know on the 380 and 777 are all like the rest of us who just want a good flight with no paperwork to fill out when we land.

I'm aware there's courses starting this or maybe next month for us on the 'little bus' to go over to the 380, the list of interested candidates from the left seat is lengthy so I can't see why they would require Boeing pilots to ask the change.

Let's try and draw a line under the childish squabbling, you're just making yourselves look immature and not doing wonders for your blood pressure. Our employers clearly like the 777 and the 380 and what we think means nothing to them.

Good evening

It is also a blow for the a380 guys who came back to the 330 for their commands 3 years ago who are going to get bypassed by 777 guys who are junior to them and have zero airbus time. All of these guys have over 2000 hours 380 time.

Which airlines in the ME has 380ies and T7s? At least for now? :ugh:

JA at a wash up this week said last option would 777 Capt's transfer to the 380 . Priority 330/340 Capt's . Direct hire FO s to continue and no to 777 FO s transfer to the 380.

laker, I pax to LAX all the time, even on a full flight, that means the good people in EK leave passengers bags behind but take staff bags, :D

The 380 does not leave bags behind, the 777 goes load restricted. If anyone thinks the 380 is not making money have them talk to any FO doing their upgrade ,777 or 380, that have had the commercial briefing.

Was this the wash up with the moaning john deere FOs complaining they didn't get upgraded at 3yrs as promised?:ugh:

The don

Childish twonks, are you not part of the same team?

No comparison
 

T7 plonkers please stop comparing your tool with the A380, its like comparing a Mini to Rolls Royce.

Enough, lol

MH

This should not be a Boeing v Airbus childish slanging match again! Its pathetic. Us Pilots must look like a right bunch of plonckers to the outside world.
This thread is about 330/340 pilots yet again being shafted by EK management!

Why do the 380 captains always seem to be short little fat fellas? Paging Dr. Freud.

Also, I heard they smell bad. True rumour.

Favourite is the FO showing his wife and kids the sims at the college. A380 sim is in use but the bridge is down on the B777 ("John Deere", for those following at home), to allow them a peek inside. So he says to his wife, (in harsh Strine accent, natch) "Of course, the one I fly is much bigger".

The sim.

HAHAHAH! No wonder eyes roll every time you hear "super" on the radio.

Pity the paycheque is the same size...then there might be something to brag about.

A bit off topic.....
I See Emirates 100th B777-300ER just rolled out of the factory at Paine Field. I believe it will be A6-ENV.
Good day mates

If there are not enough volunteers for the 380, juniority will mean that the DECs employed in 2008 will be the first to go. 777s loss, 380s gain ... :E

Not scientific...but anyone I've spoken to at the 8-10Yr+ on property - all seem to want it due days off and the likely increase in regional duties of T7 crew.

I think this one will go pretty senior.

f.

I'd say that's fairly accurate fliion; trust me, you don't want to regularly operate into Kabul, Trivandrum, anywhere in Pakistan and exclusively fly in darkness. If you senior 777 guys take an educated guess at what your rosters will look like in the next couple of years then I can't see any junior skippers getting a chance at swapping fleets.
There are, of course, quite a few destinations around the Gulf and larger airports in India the 380 will go to, however if you look at our route map and still want the roster you've had for last 8 years of so, it's an easy decision.
Having said that, you may find that you enjoy being home more regularly when doing mostly turnarounds, I certainly do. I'm not as chronically fatigued as I was going through so many time zones and I most definitely don't miss taking the 340 West one week then East the next with no chance to get your head straight.
It comes down to a lifestyle choice.
Harry

Well, as someone who MIGHT be around about in the frame to go over if I chose to, I do agree that it is probably at the point where the 380 is a better lifestyle, and it certainly serves places I want to go more regularly.

But it would mean that, as someone pushing 50, my first Airbus type rating would be LHS on the Big Bus, complete with the egos and company expectations that entails.

I'm not saying never, but right now that seems like a huge pain in the arse!!

Wiz,
If it hurts your arse your doing it the wrong.

The don

Wiz

You may not have to worry - judging from latest email the OMA can apparently be amended by a "notes" addendum in an email. See note 1. (Which does not comply with 20.10.12 para 3 - as that is based on supposition of no interest.)

Keep discovering.

: /

f.

I hear ya Royston.

Am not sure if it's true, but was told it was to manage a surplus on the 777. Seems loss of long stay ULR has left the fleet with too many Captains.

Hard to believe when everyone is flying max hours.

Hard to believe when they are still doing upgrades.


J

Hard to believe when they are looking for additional 777 Training Capt because they anticipate increased demand upcoming.

Not upcoming demand but trainers leaving,don't get too excited. 777 upgrades and new hire intake has slowed .transferring 777 Capt's to the 380 does two things provide a small number of upgrades at the same time as managing the surplus.

It's unfair to the 340 blokes. They deserve the transition.

Could i apply? Yes
Would i? No

Happy?

Completely agree with you glofish.

Another blow to the morale of the 340 people.

Shameful

If they want 777 pilots to transfer, they get 777 pilots, even if they have to draft them.

Yes it's unfair to the 330/340 pilots, but if you want to go and don't, all you are doing is meaning they will NOW be unfair to a junior 777 pilot that doesn't want to transfer.

If NOT going helped out the likes of airbus girl, I wouldn't even think of it (I'm not anyway!!) but unfortunately it doesn't.

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I don't care about doing a course, route structure, quality of life, Boeing v Airbus, payload or anything really.

Just the thought of a more comfortable chair is enough to make a person express their interest all over the 380.

Love my tractor, hate the seat.

Thanks for the clarification. I was going by the FCN which stated 2015 training projections necessitated in increase in trainer numbers.

Silly me.

Problem is, if you do the move from 777 to 380, you are stuck here for life. There are no jobs for a 380 driver as opposed to dozens on the 777 outside of EK. I rather keep my chances for a plan B even though the 777 seats and the terrible noise are killing me.
Happy to be corrected though...

So true WS, the move is a one way ticket to no where....the 777-x will be the killer in a few years. The 380 is a dead horse, a NO plan B solution in case something goes wrong...

No thank you,

:ugh::ugh:

You sure about that?:E

No problem; don't think we'd want you:} anyway...