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RIM - Intrigued, would it be fair to say the ones serving said death sentence are working their resignation notice period?!
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I have over 91 hrs this month, and have additional duties rostered that are unpaid. There is nothing like working for free!
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I have over 91 hrs this month, and have additional duties rostered that are unpaid. There is nothing like working for free! |
Non factored for pay , factored for FTLs
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330=unhappy
I have just flown with my third FO in a month who is leaving for a European LCC job. One of the big issues with these guys is junior FO's are being moved over to 380 while they rot on the 330/340. This means when and if they get to the 380 they will have Captains that will be 3 years their junior. Now this may sound like an argument for joining the 330 fleet now, but its not. It's an argument to state that the company moves who it wants when it wants. So when you join on the 330 it could be for 2 years or until the fleet goes away sometime after 2018, more likely 2020. Whatever they tell you in the interview may be true only for that fraction of a moment, but it will most certainly change. But hey record low oil prices means record profit share!!:E
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Not everybody is unhappy, most of us are seriously p:mad: off... Too much to explain. Come and try for yourself....
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Seat movement and moribund types have a long and tragic history at EK. If you ask some of the dinosaurs who joined EK on the 727, they will tell you of an entertaining conversation they had with management when that fleet was being wound down. They were told that when the 727 disappeared from EK so would they, as it was doubtful whether someone accustomed to something as crude as the 727 would be capable of safely flying something as sophisticated as an A310.
This is not an attempt at humour. |
Resigned to the fact that it could be SO much more yet it is not. had never flown on them until recently, and I was so underwhelmed as a pax, I doubt I would ever fly them again. The most noticeable difference was the leg on the 777, was ok if you are into that sort of thing. The African leg on the A340, was frankly diabolical. Service level, and the fact the thing was literally falling to bits, and no one appeared to care..... |
Intereting discussion about EK, I know one of the biggest issues was that the facilities department run by AS, aquired a major development near Meydan in a part of Dubai under development in other words not near schools or shops. The development was designed for 500 houses but AS decided to reduce costs and squeezed in many more so that living there is similar to a military camp.
Then to add fuel to the fire he mandated that many of the long term experienced pilots who were living is established parts of Duabi for many years had move into this place, as no one voluntered when they saw it. So end result a lot of unhappy pilots who are in great demand in many parts of the world and as a consequence EK have a pilot shortage and have had to ground aircraft. Now any professional organiation in this situation would deal with this problem and the instigator would have been fired, but for some people you cant do that so expect a few crazy decisions in the organisation for the forseeable future. Having said taht it is a great place to live and bring up a family. |
Nice place to raise a family? What are you comparing this place to, Africa? S America? Come now. The heat and fatigue is starting to get to you. |
Cerbus - any evidence to suggest that those raised in Dubai are making less of a mark on the world? |
Originally Posted by fliion
(Post 10138065)
Cerbus - any evidence to suggest that those raised in Dubai are making less of a mark on the world? Anu evidence that those raised in Dubai are making an equal mark on the world? Lets cut the delusion for a minute. If you come from a Western Country Meydan South and Meydan Height are sh1tholes. End of Story. Any argument to the contrary is simply trying to convince yourself that your decision to move to Emirates and live in Dubai was the right one. |
Actually yes. For those who have been here awhile, the three most popular schools outrank UK in academic achievements. Kent too early to tell but the signs so far are positive. The UK ranks #20 on the OECD education ranking, the US is number 28 Last year the school my kids attend averaged 35 on IB ranking. 92% scored higher than the UK average. The UK averaged 30 in IB. With A levels DC scored way above the UK average and DESC on grades other than A also scored above the average. As you know these results dictate the Uni’s that are offered to these kids and as such launch them into the next stage. I don’t live in Meydan but I know lots of families who have the attitundal balance to raise great kids in ANY environment, including Meydan etc Most of this is up to the parents. You can make most kids lives great or fill it with negativity. One of the reasons many stay is our kids love the school, their friends, their sports clubs, the diversity of their circle, the incredible opportunities to travel etc., the safety of the city. I am with you on the Co. 100% ... but to suggest that a good family cannot be raised here is wrong. Lol my best bud grew up in Brazzaville - top man, great family. |
Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes
(Post 10139178)
Ek is still living off its previous reputation in regards to the job in lots of applicants eyes - even though they've been warned people still come expecting lots and get disappointed very quickly.
Emirates used to be a place people aimed to get to and stay until retirement, now its a place people use as a stepping stone before moving on! |
The schooling comparisons are totally misleading. Of course the best private schools in Dubai perform better than the average state schools in the UK - it’s a totally different set of pupils attending them. How many dysfunctional kids from broken homes are attending private schools in Dubai? The average Dubai expat child has well-educated parents who are probably also above-average in intelligence hence why they’ve been recruited to work over there. From my experience over in Dubai, JESS was a very good school with absolutely outstanding facilities. In terms of the actual standard of education it was similar to a very good UK state school. Interestingly, if you look at the UK you might be surprised to find the famous schools such as Eton, way behind on the results table. Cardiff Sixth Form College has the best A-level results, and that’s with your bog-standard average Welsh pupils. |
You signed on the dotted line based on the 'old EK'? With a comment such as that, no wonder you're not happy here. Please don't use the same criteria if you go to BA looking for your next job.
Perhaps a bit more research and applying some basic due diligence is needed? Good post by the way fliion Harry |
Even guys with < 1 year in the company are running away. this guy around the corner in MS just pulled one, back to ezy. When they put you in Meydan South (highly likely) don’t be surprised when you end up on that FB page just because in someone’s opinion you didn’t behave properly doing whatever. MS, EK’s compound and they can’t even finish a communty centre within 3 / 4 years of having people actually living in it. Every 6 months they will send an email with a new opening month but there is always another delay coming. No villa’s to be sold or rented out so who cares. That’s exactly how they will treat you and your family. |
Mu own view is that the number of pilots at EK that are unhappy is relatively small, since I feel that many know it is time to leave if you ever reach that stage. However I would say that a sizeable number are disillusioned with the company. The degree of and the reason for this disillusionment does vary between colleagues but what is worthy of note is that many choose to leave before they even reach the stage of being unhappy.
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What are the exact reasons for this disappointment ?
I head an Indian at a public place who is working as a ground instructor in their academy who was telling his buddy that there is ethinic discrimination and its not the organisation that it used to be, but did not mention the precise reasons. |
The aviation academy that opened in Nov already isn't the organisation it use to be? That happened fast .:ugh:
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Good catch, Don. 😀😀😀
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Never know which is worst, arrogance or ignorance?
In that example Mr.Staynes, I think it might be both! Harry |
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Er....think you completely mis read my post there friend. I wasn't having a pop at you at all, in fact, far from it. Apologies if construed that way as I was actually in agreement with you! My reference was to the comment made from the EVP Comercial Officer, T.A. How he can expect 170 cadets to fill an ever increasing void is beyond me. Even someone with the most basic of intelligence would see that they are going to be years away from a full and efficient line operation. He must be aware that 4500 pilots will know this so it merely feeds our suspicion that the Company is either lying and doesn't care or, is generally unaware of how dire the situation really is. Either way, it just makes them look stupid. Harry |
Originally Posted by harry the cod
(Post 10140556)
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Er....think you completely mis read my post there friend. I wasn't having a pop at you at all, in fact, far from it. Apologies if construed that way as I was actually in agreement with you! My reference was to the comment made from the EVP Comercial Officer, T.A. How he can expect 170 cadets to fill an ever increasing void is beyond me. Even someone with the most basic of intelligence would see that they are going to be years away from a full and efficient line operation. He must be aware that 4500 pilots will know this so it merely feeds our suspicion that the Company is either lying and doesn't care or, is generally unaware of how dire the situation really is. Either way, it just makes them look stupid. Harry That is the target audience and they’ll swallow the story because that’s what they are led to believe, namely that a 170 cadets will be ready to join the line in a matter of weeks and all required pilot numbers will be magically restored . |
And that's just the point Jack. The actual problem will still be here in a few months, and will be even bigger. What will they say then? More pilots left than they thought? Summer always a difficult time to recruit? Chinese upped their packages? More American pilots left for US jobs than they expected?
Everyone is beyond tired of the excuses. Just get the wallet out, pay a decent salary increase to retain and attract. Then, with sufficient numbers, sort the rostering debacle by having a system that actually works by removing daft restrictions. It's not rocket science! Harry |
My thoughts exactly. While such a pathetic excuse might keep the public/media quiet for a while, it will be blindingly obvious when 20+ a/c are still parked come August and they are still cancelling flights. What their end game is, I have no idea??
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Roster restrictions
Harry mentions "daft restrictions" exactly what roster restrictions are we talking about here. They must be there for a reason....mandatory FTL's and company soft rules? Name a few. |
Any doomsday theory is fake news by the bad media, fed by very bad pilots.
Wonderful local talent will be on line just in time to replace the lazy, ungrateful and indisciplined immigrant unbelievers. (i think i already heard similar bs somewhere else by an equally dumb tw@t, who created a lot of the mess himself in the first place) |
Hey Harry, How would one even respond to glofish? Maybe the better question is why would any professional respond to such bias dished out by a local. However this post shows the underlying resentment of some locals and obviously some management towards its Xpat work force. I think glofish's response speaks volumes and offers insight into the minds of many on the property, which by the way has not been my experiance. Maybe he's right, fake news is that airplanes are parked, fake news there's a pilot shortage, fake news Ek pilots are Bad, Lazy, Ungrateful, and are Immigrant Unbelievers. Here is some real news glofish you cant fix stupid. GFYS. |
Originally Posted by Goldencane
(Post 10140633)
Harry mentions "daft restrictions" exactly what roster restrictions are we talking about here. They must be there for a reason....mandatory FTL's and company soft rules? Name a few. |
Rules... here's one. The east/west min times between flights rule. Supposedly not a legality but a "business rule" to minimise fatiguing patterns and timezones.
Rigidly applied when trying to swap, but totally legal when they roster less and you query it. I get why the rule exists, but it's to prevent repeated use of those patterns, not the one off you actully want to do. Ditto for rostering ULR after short blocks of leave, rendering 5 days pretty much useless for travel except elsewhere in the Gulf. |
Fliion,
Fair comment. Had I been back to Pprune earlier, though, I would have commented along the lines of Odin's Raven where it's not really comparing apples with apples. As an aside, if you go to OECD Social Progress Index you'll see some interesting data. UAE: Foundation of Wellbeing -"No data". UK, access to basic knowledge - "98.46." I think those stats tell the real story of Dubai vs Western World. |
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