I imagine legally, yes.

But in practice you get at least 8 days off in Dubai, and usually more.

There is a rostering rule to give you at least 8 days in Dubai, as a I understand it. You can't reduce that in Eswap either.

You get 8 days off in DXB, unless temp based away - eg. outsourced training course.
However, your weekly day off (2 local nights in 7) can be at a layover port.

Happy or unhappy ....( Add your colours to the mix) ...any one done the survey ? Have they sent this before? Personally never saw such thing before ?

From what I see...... Pilots are unhappy in all the Airlines ! :hmm:


Hence proved !

There is no good Airline in the world :ugh:

Probably just in a fairy tale.... :oh:

Bushbaby. Good points. EK Clinic now cares for around 17300 Cabin Crew 4000 or so Pilots, Numerous managers and dependents. Of course, some have gone out of the clinic but the numbers increase. Morale is at rock bottom and is drilling down further. There is one SVP, qualified as a nurse (but doesn't practice). 3VPs (rumours of a fourth for 3 people) A Clinic Operations Manager (a non practicing Nurse), Two senior administrators. All for around 180 staff. Please note that the clinic doesn't generate income for EK.

Oh, I forgot. If you consider everything with part timers and others who do speciality clinics, they are around 22 doctors. A senior AME just got poached for double the money at EY. The docs were informed (via a corporate comms mail) of the two new docs joining :ugh:

The management of the clinic are amazing communicators. Not.

Bushbaby. Good points. EK Clinic now cares for around 17300 Cabin Crew 4000 or so Pilots, Numerous managers and dependents. Of course, some have gone out of the clinic but the numbers increase. Morale is at rock bottom and is drilling down further. There is one SVP, qualified as a nurse (but doesn't practice). 3VPs (rumours of a fourth for 3 people) A Clinic Operations Manager (a non practicing Nurse), Two senior administrators. All for around 180 staff. Please note that the clinic doesn't generate income for EK.

Oh, I forgot. If you consider everything with part timers and others who do speciality clinics, they are around 22 doctors. A senior AME just got poached for double the money at EY. The docs were informed (via a corporate comms mail) of the two new docs joining :ugh:

The management of the clinic are amazing communicators. Not.

Hi!
Is it truth,that EK provides:Accommodation,Education?Or there is a commercial trick?

13 pilots left the company last month. I have moved up 36 positions this year alone and I don't know how many pilots left junior to me.

Gosh Cerbus, I didn't realise how junior you are... Going up 36 places!!! Wow! I must be far more senior 'cos my number hasn't risen by more than about 15... And no, I'm not full of manure, just say how it is!!!! Not EVERY American I'VE flown with is looking to head Stateside... But then again, JD fleet looking to do all of the sh1t flying, can't blame your bum-chums...

There is finally a bad time to join EK?

Because seems to be a bad place to work now, all the people writing in that forum hate the company, the schedule, the planes, the salary, the accommodation, the transport,...

Oscar84 do not read and believe everything you see here...

Most pilots don't bother with pprune.. I am a lurker mostly myself but I have decided to write something of my personal experience.

I am about 4 years in EK and mostly very happy. Been on the littlebus for 2 years now and another 2 on the fatbus.
It always depends on where you are coming from I suppose but for me this the best job that I could have..
Rosters on the fatbus are really good and paywise I get 3 times more than before..


I really dislike the negative atmosphere of pprune but trust me not everybody is like this..
Sure about 50% of the people I fly with have something negative to say about the company but its not all that bad..
I always compare from back home and I still think its a great company to work for..
As for people leaving about 200+ have left in my 4 years..

Sure it might not be the glorious golden years of the past but I have never experienced them in the first place so I cant compare...

He's Greek and I have an idea that it's not so long ago that he was more or less 'paying to work' with an LCC. So he would be happy for now.

"Our pay sucks, it's a fact. For a professional, international, expat pilot, it sucks."


Where has better TandC's? The reason I ask is I'll apply right away!

Wasn't this done here a couple of weeks ago?

The thing is the bulk of this airlines crew are refugees from failed/failing and LC carriers, through timing/geography/personality or whatever they didn't get into what's left of the 'proper' airlines with the 'better Ts & Cs'. Apart from the US market it's too late for them now.

However this airline likes to promote itself as a serious rival to the 'real' airlines. As an employer it is not.

Actually montencee it wasnt pay to fly but I was getting about the same as a GR2.... Atleast they payed for the type ratings :D

It mattered not.. it was the experience i needed for EK to open its doors to me which is all that counted...

Why EK is still hiring people on the A330?

when they will remove these planes from the EK fleet?

I think they are wasting time&money doing this Type for the new joiners...

I think all new joiners should go to the 330, and then progress from there. But what the hey, seniority, what's that mean?

The don

There's no option to go directly to the 380?

On the web they are looking people for direct entry to the big one...

Oscar you don't understand the way EK recruitment works. There are no options, they tell you which fleet you are going on and you take it or leave it (hot tip- if it is the A330, leave it). They do hire directly onto the A380 if you meet minimum Airbus experience requirements. Recently they have had trouble finding people who are that experienced so have been hiring onto the A330 and moving people across. They hate doing that as it costs them more money but at least it respects seniority a little.

That's ok.

But if you meet the minimuns to apply for the direct entry maybe, if they want, you will go to the 380.

Best regards

380
 

Remember EK already has half of the 380s it ordered. Meaning all the FO's that are there currently, plus all the 330/340 Captains, and now the 777 captains moving over will be sitting left seat before you. Which means if you are hired onto the 380, your command will come only due to pilot attrition. I would expect 15-17 year mark. If someone else comes up with different math I am happy to be corrected. The big variable currently is how many 777 guys are moving over.

Current 330 FOs that are stuck until the fleet is gone, will not get to the 380 until when, 2018? Then have to do 2500hrs on the 380 before becoming eligible for a command on it, so 2022ish?
The new joiners on the 380 need three years in the company and 2500hrs on the 380, so mid 2018/2019?
Who knows.
There were over 600 FOs hired in 2010. The majority of them on the 777. There are fewer than 80 upgrades on the 777 this year. So I would suggest that any Fo on the Boeing or mini bus is in for a long wait. And a new joiner on the 380 must be very close to the same situation.
The quick commands ended some time ago.

The Don

I think any fleet new hire is a long long way from an upgrade. When the 330 is gone , most. in 2016, FO's transfer and upgrade requirements will change then. Same with the Capt's, right now very few 330 Capt's have the 3000 command. 64 new hires on the 330 , I think it's 16 upgrades . 40 777 capts to 380(over 100 applied) no 777 FO 's to the 380. Makes room for some 777 upgrades but not many. 777 fleet has just about reached it max. Large number of 380 upgrades next year.

How much is a long way tonbe on the lhs for you?
How many years?
10 years maybe?

I know that in the European LCC with 3 years flying on the rhs and 3000h on type you are able to be on the lhs (ryanair, wizzair,...)

That's not the normal sense.

Unhappy??

BA have just opened the door for 747 and 777 guys!

Good luck!

Yes most of us are annoyed , NO leave min off days all flight LR and all through the night !

Its like jail , you cannot really make jail a better place can you?
You can only escape !
You just lie there and wait for them to abuse you and you open your legs and take it without argue !

Wow
 

Your life is such a misery !:uhoh::uhoh:::uhoh:

What a moan , do yourself a favor and just go if it's that bad :ok:

Nothing will change complaining in this forum... Unfortunately

some actual figures for a change:

on jan 1st 2014 we were 3523 pilots, today we're 3706.

since jan 1st pilot nr. 3500 in seniority gained 60 positions, nr. 3000 gained 54, nr. 2500 gained 48, nr. 2000 gained 43, nr. 1500 gained 38, nr. 1000 gained 28 and myself in the 500ish position gained about 15...

tz

It's nice to see actual facts instead of rumours. So an attrition rate of 2.1% by my (rough)calculation.

60 pilots left in approximately the first 9 months. At current rate about 80 for the year.

Does anyone believe that the rosters have increased up to 93 hours a month because EK are short of crew. Or do you think this will be the standard roster as time goes on??

I'm contemplating accepting a position with Ek and trying to imagine how you guys feel, being jet lagged and tired all the time!

How does living in one of these rosters feel?

Thanks in advance for the info!

this 92 hours every month thing is a bit of a myth, at least on the dugong.

again some actual figures:

between sep 1st 2013 and aug 31st 2014 I flew a bit more than 800 hours. only twice more than 90/month.

the following numbers are the hours I've flown each month as an A380 skipper, rounded up or down, not in chronological order, no sick days and all 42 days of leave were awarded.

27, 19, 98, 74, 75, 87, 77, 70, 58, 84, 52, 91

hardly a miserable life...:ok:

tz

Good on ya mate, Zohan. 777 skipper with only 30 days leave and 91 hours per month except months with leave. If you think 92 constant hours is a myth, you been breathing too much of the wrong end of the camel. Haven't had my 42 days of leave in a couple of years now.

Hey Z. I said basically, good for you. Didn't imply what you said was an untruth, as you did, saying 92 hrs was a myth. I said on the 777 92 IS the case. Perhaps we should use, "See spot run. Run spot run." For simplicity's sake. Implication is a bit over your head, maybe. And next month's roster....8 days off and one rest day. Whoppee!

On the 380 nothing less than 85 hours all of last year.
This has been the case for the last 3 years so no these hours are not because of pilot shortages at Emirates but a carefully designed system to wear out Emirates pilots with chronic fatigue.
Join at the risk of your own health.

LHR Rain

So, assume there'll be a flood of 'chronic fatigue' reports being submitted through the FRMS soon? Or do you just moan and hope the problem will go away?

Harry

Is anyone happy on the 330 fleet?

NOPE!!!!

If you want to be depressed and question why you ever chose this career, join the A330 fleet.

It's a death sentence.