EK Pilot Numbers
 

Juts took a glance at the seniority list.... Thought these figures were quite interesting.

In the last 11 months... we've lost a total of 83 pilots (retirement, leaving, etc). However, we've only hired 131. For a net gain of +48 pilots in the last 11 months.

Hardly the numbers we need to have onboard in order to keep up with deliveries, expansion, etc. And hardly the numbers HR talked about recruiting during the wash-up meetings.

And they said our monthly flight hours would be reducing. Yea, right!! :=

Thoughts??

If you're a 7 year FO then you've made some bad decisions!

What, like being forced onto the Dugong against your will? Not really the individuals decision but it has a profound effect.

vfenext said;
Err, I think you will find that many airlines have a waiting period of 10 plus years before FOs get upgraded to captain. So I don't know what point you are trying to make??? 7 years for a upgrade is a good decision!

It's all relative. 7 years for a widebody command outside of the Gulf would be an amazing prospect but for those in the Gulf - it's a long time.

7 year FO or not. It has nothing to do with the numbers mentioned in the first mail. Ex collegues in my old out fit have waited for 25 years for commands and only this or next year will get one...on A320 or B737.

Bitching about 4-7 years is just ridiculous.

4 is the norm. If there are a few 7 year FO it is an exception. Someone moved from the A330 to A380 just before their commands. That is hardly the norm. So you objective must be to scare people from coming.

I gather most people dont wake up in the morning at say I want to join Emirates. Usually it due to circumstances back home. Thats why we see people coming in groups from the same areas. These days it the Spaniards. Ole..

And to assume the company will double in size every few years will lead to disappointment!

Be sure and bid if you are reserve. Just spoke with two guys that did not bid. They now have a full roster for April and no reserve days.

Is the plan still to increase from present 205 to 320 airframes by 2018? That could mean a net gain of 1,900 pilots over the next 4 years, assuming 8 crew set / airframe, plus attrition. There had even been talk of 400 airframes by 2020.

Still, 492 aircraft on order including the 120 options is a lot of hiring at some stage, even if the entire current fleet was to be retired by the time of last delivery.

I think a lot of those on order and replacements too..

280 by 2020 is the fleet plan,

Tim Clark for Gulf News 7th of May 2013.

What is Emirates’ current fleet size and where do you think it will reach by 2020?

It’s around 200 aircraft at present. We know we have 240 aircraft planned to be in use by 2017 and that is an amount of incremental units and retirement of the old fleet. We are in the process of getting through 68 of the old aircraft – they all have to be retied. So they will have been finally gone by then.

Emirates to start 777X talks with Boeing in 2 months | GulfNews.com

The topic raised by CSR is true, but is dependant on your position on the seniority list. The figures quoted are both on the lower side of actual. The point though is very much valid and raises the question of why no 12 month planning?

CF took great pleasure in telling wash-up groups that EK have man power reviews every 3 weeks compared to other airlines who do it 4-6 months, and thats because EK supposedly monitor the situation closely.

However CF was a little taken back when it was pointed out that instead of being a good thing, that FACT shows the opposite. Yes or no - net gain of 24 a/c next year? Yes (CF & CPA), so 24 x number of crews required to operate them. Add expected leavers = Man power requirement for 2014/15! :D Only thing to monitor is the recruitment and that is a different topic.

Payscale is right, 4 yrs for UG, but once again that time doesn't take into consideration future UG. The last UG on the list has been in EK for 4yrs. However look at the number of F/O's who, this time next year, would of been in EK for 4 yrs+: There's around 450 of them!! :ugh:

It is easy to say "get over it", especially if you're already a Capt. :oh:

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Looks like Emirates fleet is planned to grow by total of 32 aircraft by 2020.

Assuming 18 Crew per aircraft in average that would translate to around 300 more captain positions by 2020. Adding in attrition of 3% for 5.5 years would add around 300 more captain positions.

It looks like 600 upgrades in the next 5.5 years.

Most of the attrition is from FOs, due in part because of the increasing time to the LHS, so somewhere between 300 and 600 Capt ( closer to 300, mostly 380) in the next 5.5 years.

Bond for new joiners at EK now $US45 and 5yrs. To stem the flow perhaps?


The Don

First officers upgrading today have been on the their fleet about 4-5 years.

45 bucks isn't too bad! ;-)

It's not a bond. Ask anyone who has tried to leave Singapore and they will draw you a diagram.

The most junior non-DEC captain on 777 joined apr-2010, so upgrade in approx 4 years, that´s not bad.

However, if you join as a F/O on the 777 today you have 1000 guys ahead of you. Even with a "best case" scenario where you jump up 100 places/year (upgrades/attrition) that´s at least 10 years.