EK Employing more Indians
 

Just a thought, why don't EK Employ more Indian pilots? all EK pilots seem to be Western pilots, if your ever in DXB and listen to 118.35, 9/10 of the EK pilot will have a British/American or Australian voice, same could be said for FZ.


From a business perspective if these big players opened up to all the unemployed pilots in India I would guestimate they could cut there crewing costs by up to 75% in reduced wages.


I am not Indian myself, but it just bears a thought for the future.

Loads of Indian nationals at all carriers here in the Gulf...can't see why they would cost less...their skill sets seem to match everybody else's therefore they are paid the same as everybody else...

Going_Manual - Perhaps if they payed idiots less than Indians, you could personally save them 100%.

Mister Warning - Next time your in Dubai just have a listen to the radio and tell me I am wrong about EK and that the majority are Indian voices:ugh:


Ironbutt - I am not disputing that Indian pilots are any less of a talent than Western pilots, but it is a fact that Indian carriers like Spice jet, Indigo etc get paid much less than the likes of EK pilots, they work for less money is the point I was making, I never said that it was RIGHT they get paid less:ugh:

Couldn't agree more. Why would you start such a stupid racist thread like this? Going Manual you really should get a life bro and stop embarrassing our class.
Mfan

Murrenfan

Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, I don't read it as being racist, I just think he has poorly explained what he thinks a global economy means, ie outsourcing to where labour costs are cheaper.

That is not a racist statement or practice, it happens every where and actually is just a sad fact that somewhere a country can do the same job as another for cheaper.

Murrenfan - I Not a racist, are you trying to say that Indians get paid on the same level as western folks? have a look at the airlines in your country and tell me they are on par with the western world!


If anything I should be thanked as what I have suggested if it ever happened would give work to thousands of unemployed Indian pilots! I am a hero if anything.


You are racist for suggesting this be a race issue IMHO.

You are mistaken and confused..all Indian pilots as expats here are paid same as everyone else...pay scales in India are another matter but I daresay if one offered an Indian pilot a job here on a lower pay scale, that pilot would politely show them where to stick it...:ok:

The reason for starting the discussion is not at all intended to offend or upset anyone.


My reason for starting the thread came after reading another thread in the Asia forum about the masses of unemployed Indian pilots.


Now you cannot deny that every voice you hear when coming from an EK call sign is that of the western world, e.g. British or American I am talking about ground 118.35 tower 118.75/119.55 even UAE 124.85 if an EK call sign is talking to ATC it is always a westerner!! always! you cannot deny this!


If EK want global domination and even bigger profits, my question is why don't they take advantage of the unemployment in India and take on the Indian pilots with a lesser salary?


If they did do it, and the Indians were agreeable to a lesser salary can you imagine the cost savings for EK?


Average Salary for an FO with an Indian carrier is $37,000 per year you cant argue that.
Average Salary for an FO with Emirates is $128,000 per year!! you also cant argue this fact!


I am not being a racist, I am just pointing out that these chaps are just as capable as Western pilots, agreed? so why not exploit them


@Ironbutt - that's great they get the same scale!! I don't dispute it, but where are they?!? I don't hear any Indian voices coming from EK call sign!

1) the masses of unemployed Indian pilots are recent CPL grads which do not qualify for here

2) any Indian pilot qualified to fly here would most definitely not accept a lower pay scale

3) your comments besides being asinine are most certainly racist

4) I personally know several senior TRE Indian nationals at EK

now continue on with your absurd observations...and await further response..I'm out

This bloke is either a Troll or a few holes short of a golf course..:ugh:

If it is the latter; the unemployed Indian pilots are all CPL holders, Emirates hire worldwide, sans bias, but you must meet the minimum experience levels.

Ironbutt - I'm sorry but you lose this argument! YOU CANNOT!! deny that there are hardly any Indian voices coming from EK planes!! you cannot!! sorry but have I gone completely insane here?! someone please back me up on this fact!


You cannot speak for other Indian pilots and whether they would or would not take a lower pay scale, you can say you would not accept, but that's you not them sir!


The CPL holders you talk of are the same guys I am talking about...


My point of view is visionary not current, I know the requirements for EK:ugh:


Ironbutt & Scandistrlian - OK so you are telling me with your hand on your heart that there is equal amount of Indian pilots in EK & FZ as those pilots from the Western world? say there are 10,000 pilots in each 5,000 are Indian,Pakistan etc and the other 5,000 are Brits,Yanks,Aussies, Euros etc, that what your saying yes????

Going Manual,

First , the cost of life in India is a lot less than here , so it is one of the reason why Indian pilots are paid less than the EK ones.
Second , the salary you are talking about is not valid for all the Indian companies , some pay a lot more than that for their first officers.
Third , I have been contacted many time by agencies offering a job for an Indian company , so can you explain to e why these Indian pilots are not filling these available job then ?
Fourth , I have Indian fellow pilots in my company and there are paid exactly the same money as any other pilot , I doubt that your suggestion will really please them...

Some good old fashioned mining the cost chain, maybe we could send all our maids to flight school to do 250 hours and then fly for $1500/month

Going Manual, this isn't a flying club, it is a serious international airline with a diverse and highly challenging scope of operation. Minimum experience levels and the cost of hiring professional experienced pilots is assessed against the benefits and risks of lowering experience requirements.

As stated earlier most Indian pilots I know in EK are former Captains and set a very high standard for which they are appropriately remunerated.

But be sure to send your thoughts to EK, I am sure they will value and reward your "visionary" solution, they might even offer you 15 of their "special" tickets as a reward :E

The year is 2040 and planes are much easier to fly and handle


we need a large work force but at the same time as cost effective as possible.




Enter the EK Board of directors AGM
oh remember Going_Manual's thread on employing Indian CPL grads for EK to save 75% on flight crew cost's, I must remember to thank him for the suggestion. we are now on course for global domination


oh and all those other prune members where slagging him off saying oh he's a troll, get a life, your silly that's not in the rule book! "GUILTY GET A NEW RULE BOOK"

He wants an "ICadet" scheme ala CX.

This must be the most stupid topic I have read on this forum :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Benefit withdrawn...

How can you be so crazy as to run a two tier system for doing the same job, that is discriminatory for sure.

The only outcome of that would be that the lower pay scale would soon become the standard and everyone loses except for the company.

Obviously standards would reduce due to massively reduced morale and a lower level of experience.

Perhaps you stick as the rocket scientist that you are!

Going_Manual if you spend your time glued to 118.35 or any other frequency trying to work out nationalities then you are barking up the wrong tree. Try to realise that not all Indians have "Indian accents" I know of 2 Indians with Scottish accents and I work with Brummie Indians as well, whose accents are far from anything you refer to.

If you want to do a survey like that why not ask EK direct? To me this is a pointless unneccessary thread :ugh:

OK well we will all agree that there is equal Indians to westerners in EK!
end of discussing thank you very much for clearing that up.


As I say when I listen to the radio I don't hear any Indian accents, but the chap has assured me that those western voices are infact Indians, so I am at fault, I'm sorry I must look really silly now http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/embarass.gif