Correct.

But boy it's funny listening to en ex-RJ driver tell everybody in earshot everything there is to know about flying, and then watching them try to fly a widebody........ :E

You would go back to the states for different reasons but the pay. Even as a DL FO starting at $66 and going up to a 10 year FO making $130 an hour and $140000 p.a.(100k-110k after taxes) still won't match the EK FO $150k+ tax free(basic, fly pay, housing allowance, 1 kid school allowance, provident fund). Americans would go back for their families, quality of life, laid back environment, stability and retirement. It doesn't matter if you fly a 320/330/777/380, at the end of the day it's a combination of how happy you are from your job and how much money you are bringing to your family. What happened last week was sad and insulting at the same time. Keep flying safe!!!:):):):)

Not hostile at all, as just stated , be realistic about your return. You don't have to justify it to me but only yourself.I happen to know someone in HR and some pilots leave for the wrong reasons and regret it. Policy now is not to take anyone back that leaves, they don't really care .

Try and not redirect the anger you feel for being poorly compensated at any other nationality. It is a misplaced anger and does the pilot group, as a whole, a disservice. Be mad about how hard you worked and it not being good enough. That is where the fight resides.

One thinig I can't get my head around though:
Those at EGHQ tell us "if we don't like it, then leave" and it makes us angry.

American's say "okay, we'll leave" and you get angry?

Take a deep breath and get some sleep guys, its been a tough week.

Olive branches of peace for us all...

I'm increasingly suspicious that it IS contributing to the bottom line- in the wrong direction.

When it already burns more fuel/ set-mile than a 300ER, how is it going to fare against the 777X with 15% better ecconomy?

If WKs plane is so super why does he get paid the same as the rest of us? Can't be as super as he thinks and he probably is not as super as he thinks he is either. Typical Big Watch, Small C0ck syndrome.
What else can he pontificate to us about? We are waiting White Knight. About how good it is here for you or your family? You office boy working 20 days a month and that is good for you and your family? It probably is good for you and your family because they only have to see you 10 days a month keeping in mind that widebody pilots at real airlines only WORK 10 days a month. We know it is good for you though.

Ramius,

Funny that you agree with my statement, then you spout off a comment that is a perfect example of the kind of attitude that I'm talking about! As a matter of fact, I flew CRJs at my previous carrier. Maybe you can enlighten me since I'm just a lowly ex-CRJ guy. What exactly is it about the CRJ that makes anyone who flew it a bad pilot? Is it not an airplane? Is it not much more modern and more similar to what we fly here than say an MD-80? Just becuse the system in Europe is different and the first thing you fly out of flight school is an A320 don't act like that somehow makes you better than me. And what ex-CRJ guys are you speaking of that act like they know everything about aviation? The only people I see acting like that are people who never had to fly a CRJ because they were given an opportunity to fly a "real" airplane straight from a Cessna 172. If only I could fly with you maybe you could pull me from the depths of ignorance as an ex-CRJ pilot and show me how to fly a "real" airplane so I don't have to simply "try"and fail miserably anymore.

Your management must p!ss themselves laughing every time they read Pprune, as the threads drift and then inevitably turn into slinging matches.
Perhaps you have lost sight of who the real enemy is...

Be fair guys
 

There are five 'supers' each day to LHR, plus two from QF.
Staff travel to LHR is hopeless. What does that tell you?

It doesn't say anything about yields and yields drive the airline, not load factors.
Airlines figured this out decades ago but 5.5 is still trying to get his head around this concept.

That we upgrade almost 100 lucky punters to premium seats having paid peanuts for it ...... and there goes the bonus .....
(sorry for the drift, just couldn't let pass this one! ;) )

I fullheartidly agree that the enemy sits in another palace. :yuk:

They surely must Mister, they surely must.

Well, when it's a thread about lousy financial relults and the consequent lousy pay rise, I don't think a side conversation about WHY is that out or order.

Perhaps our profit share money was distributed among the uninspired and maladroit design engineers at Airbus?

When you consider that their inefficient and overweight excrescence adds directly and massively to the bottom line at Emirates in the form of millions of dollars in underperformance penalty payments, delivery delay penalty payments, loss of use penalty payments related to wing repairs, well - fair is fair.

It's oh-so-easy to turn the wind up key in an industry full of (over-inflated) egos......

:E

Haha funny that someone who makes this statement has the audacity to accuse anyone who calls him out on his arrogance as having an "over-inflated ego"! The irony in that reply just made my day. Thank you for the good laugh Ramius. Run along with your "sky god" attitude. Us ex-crj guys will continue to "TRY"...

Thanks for doubting my intelligence. Word in the HQ is that our BELF is in the low 60s. which sounds reasonable.

Hence, I am going with:

For the dummies, what is BELF??

Break Even Load Factor :ok:

The 2012/13 BELF (taken from report) was 66.9%. This is a slight increase over previous years.

These are the numbers for from 2008/09 onwards.

64.1/64.4/63.6/65.9

f.

And that's where it gets ugly.

If we simply covered costs, did not return a dividend and kept our cash reserve, including investment returns, unchanged, we would have "Broken even".

We did better than that to the tune of aroung 5 billion Dhs- they just chose not to define a large percentage of that as "Profit".

The US has 30,000 commercial flights a day. That does not include the military, corporate or VFR traffic which ups the number of flights considerably.
If you LL insist on talking like you have crap in your mouth go ahead but one can not and must not talk like you are in kindergarten when fly in the states.
Everyone knows we are an embarrassment when we fly in the states. How many times have you heard "I hope they don't give us a runway change" when landing in the US. "We don't do visuals." We are a joke and most pilots in the world know it.
They are not lazy in the states just very busy and the pilots have the contracts and pay scales to prove it.

So why on earth, Cerbus, would you want to work with a bunch of clowns like us?
Reminds me of that joke: "My mother never understood the irony of calling me a son-of-a-b*tch."

Coz he wanted to know the difference between Pan & Mayday.

; >

Wasn't called the CRIPPLE 7 for nothing when it first came to EK..... Far lower initial dispatch reliability than than the 380.

FACT.........

My Defense of Yanks
 

:zzz:

I think that the "get in line" sort of negativity about yanks has a multi-faceted origin and we deserve some of it, or at least I do.

The lingo/slang/CAP14 case is valid. So is our adoption of slang domestically. When I was trained, it wasn't stressed. Period. I grew up in that world. When I came to the other world, it was blatant and a problem. I still work on improving myself and expressing myself more clearly and conveying sometimes complex requests and requirements to non-native English speakers. I try to improve my standard phraseology.

When I was a young turboprop FO, a Captain I flew with taught me a few things about precise readbacks of ground clearances/take-off clearances, etc. I taught the same lessons to my FO's in turn.

A few months ago I was #2 for takeoff in the USA as augmenter FO. An AMR MD-80 was cleared for takeoff by the controller and the takeoff clearance readback was literally, "Cleared to go." I was horrified, embarrassed, and disappointed. The controller let it go. If I was his Captain or FO (I don't know which of them was the guilty one), I wouldn't have.

Then when it was it was our turn, my European FO pilot monitoring read back our takeoff clearance and didn't mention a runway number. Ugh.

At the end of the day, we all have strengths and weaknesses. We all bring things to the cockpit.

Maybe even I have brought someting good to the cockpit along with some bad. Then again, I am a Yank.

Now, for those that really hate the USA, hmm, stay away ;-) We have over 300 million people that don't hate the place, and many more that might like to join us.

We aren't perfect. We have done many bad things along with many good. I think the argument could be made that the USA has made some positive contributions to humanity. I hope we learn from the bad and mistakes and help move humanity forward.

Besides, the days of manned cockpits are numbered anyways :rolleyes:

Yankeefly

What date are we meant to be paid?

26th Incl the wonderful pay rise for the month of may

scholing allowance
 

When can we expect info about any increase in scholing allowance? Or am I naive...

N.:ok:

OUTLAW - LMFAO :D

School and Housing if any in July.

If announced in July will it be back dated to May or just start in July/August?

I am still hearing from new joiners that housing is going to 180k and 200k