half Way through April and no-one cares.
 

I would like to congratulate the EK management team on being able to have a work force that now care less than themselves. I would have thought this hard to do when the deliveries and upgrades keep happening at record rates.
Mid way through April and no-one cares about the "profit Cher" and there are no optimists re pay rise.

A job well done.

The Don

Different time, Don.

In 2007 they had a big problem with attrition and an almost empty applicant pool- now half of the pilots in Europe and MOST of the pilots in the rest of the world are beating down their door, and ALMOST no-one is leaving.

Pendulums swinging and all that...

Wiz,

That should not matter. The recruitment presentation and pilot contract state that 25% of the profit above the target shall be paid out to the employees as profit share. It doesn't say the formula is inversely based on how many people are interested in working for EK.

That's funny I was just coming to ask why there was no thread on profit share! Half way through the month and no announcement on when there will be an announcement on the announcement . I find this pretty grim. I keep hearing of bad news emitting from the office type people, hiring freeze similar to the 09 troubles. Can this be true? Can we really not met the target after the first 6 months went so well and our planes are pretty damn packed!

Laker,

And so it shall be.

The question wasn't what is going to happen, it was why aren't we talking about it!!

That's what happens when they beat you down, work you 95+ hours, give you minimum days off and tell you that we aren't making money (yet every plane I fly is full of pax)...

Guys are frustrated, exhausted and tired of getting their hopes up... only to be followed by disappointment.

:ugh:

I was following all the rumours of the Cher...hoping for some insider tip on what it might be but then something happened that made me not care anymore..... the flash new uniform!!! Why do you guys want cash when you are getting a stripy tie and a golden hat band...talk about hard to please..? Still not as rewarding as oven mitts but what to do??

The so called profit share has always been a little subdued ever since you got the 380's, are they hurting the airline?

They're managing expectations guys - you may be pleasantly surprised yet......or may not!

16 weeks.....going to be the biggest one ever!

11 weeks.

Feeling optimistic. Not sure why....

If you'd have asked me a few months ago, I'd have said 5% and 10 weeks.... Now however, I think we'd be lucky to get the 3% increment and 2 weeks!!

A lot of negative rhetoric coming from the offices of power for some reason!

As many have said, the flights seem to be full to brimming as is evidenced by the fact that my in-laws should have gone home last week but are still here due to there being absolutely no free seats in ANY class to London...... Aaarrrrrghhhh:sad:

I realise that some will mention the 'yield' argument. BUT, surely if a flight is full and we don't make a profit on that flight then someone isn't doing their job properly!!!

In any case as I have said in years gone by, there are only 3 people in this airline that actually know what the finances are doing and frankly it isn't any of us and nor would any of those 3 men divulge that info to anyone you know, so I guess we'll just have to wait another couple of weeks....

Well, if the yields are down, why? Just random searches on line reveals we're often more expensive than other airlines so where's the money going?

The day we announced we're contributing to the Bernie Eccelstone's personal fortune did I give up hope of profit share. He's a crook with 2 very spoilt and over rated daughters who themselves are now benefitting financially off the backs of all our hard work and effort. One sponsorship deal i'm not in agreement with.

Zero is my guess...... and I'd be bloody pissed off if proven true.

Harry

Pretty hard to make a profit when you are saddled with something as egregiously inefficient and unreliable as an A380. Fortunately we got ours for next-to-free and are in receipt of lots of Airbus cash in the form of performance/delivery/wing repair penalty money.

I wonder how the airlines who actually paid for them are doing? You could be guided by the number of orders I suppose.

I think there was a bit of interest in the bonus just after Christmas, but unfortunately apathy plus negativity coming from EGHQ drove away most peoples dreams/hopes.

I know from my years here that we never get what we hope for working at EK, so expect nothing and you won't be disappointed!

(was going to go on a rant about office wallahs living in a bubble etc, then how can we ever get a positive vibe going at EK but then decided it was not worth the hassle - apathy attack I suppose!)

Fingers crossed
:)

Smaller profits and thus a smaller profit share??

Especially for Wiz
 

A literary device educational video...

I DID catch the satirical nature of Outlaws post, Dropp.

Please correct me if I am incorrect, but didn't the "airline that can't be mentioned (atcbm) get some bonus/profit Cher, along with Fly Dubai, and Qatar? Even some U.S. airlines are distributing bonuses/P.S. We know how important "image" is around here. So how would that enhance the all important image. I guess I do know the answer, as stated.....NEW UNIFORMS. And the possiblity of a World Expo seven years from now.

Lower the expectations and the minions will be pleased with crumbs.

There will be Bonuses but no profit share. Thats my guess

The announcement has always been after 20.04. In 2005 it has been on 27.04. - the day of the A380's maiden. Why the hurry this time?

How do you remember stuff like that...

I am fairly sure Fly Dubai and the major operators out of OMAA, OTBD and OMSJ all received bonuses.

We all have a fair idea of how the company faired financially this year, in my opinion there are only two people in the company who know, and determine what kind of bonus (not profit share) there will be; Sheikh Ahmed and Tim Clark.

Much has been achieved in the last 12 months, and the airline has further positioned itself for sustainable future success in the ever recovering market. The amount received will be a clear barometer of how our leaders value our efforts, not only for contributing to the performance of the company over the last year, but also for what they have done to guarantee the future success of Emirates.

Dropp, you mention that we got the A380's for 'Next to free'. May I ask where you got that incredibly commercially sensitive info from? This is the kind of info that only the very top level of airline and manufacturer management are party to.

For this reason I can only assume that you are indeed either TC or HH. Therefore, please put us out of our misery and let us know what the profit share (PBUH) is going to be? Cheers.

..........

Think about it buddy, do you honestly think that a manufacturer would 'give away' aircraft AND pay hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation to boot? Do you really think a bank would lend EK money for a free aircraft?

The point being, if you don't have anything useful to contribute, then please spare us the effort of reading your posts..... Thanks:ok:

seriously dropp, do you believe the **** you post?

Giggle...
 

That's blasphemie...
...I think.
But I luv it.

Blasphemie- the victimless crime..........

4 weeks and 3%. I heard it from the TBF cleaner tending the mothballed portacabins kept at a secret location near the secret airbase.......

Has all morale officially been crushed?!?

Morale , what's that?

Fair point!

well.....we're waiting........
 

increment ( 3%) and 6 weeks…. now back to work!

If there is nothing other than the increment the top pay group go without again. Rember the increment isn't a pay rise.

The don. .

As of today---mgmt has directed pilots that are in OT will have flights pulled.

I'm not a management apologist in any way at all, but isn't this to be considered as a good thing?

We all moan about working 100 hours a month so being made to work less is not something we can really complain about now is it? I'm happy to sacrifice the $$$$ for a better lifestyle (yes, I know up to 92 hrs is still tough - just making a point).

Cat-- I agree completely!!!

Of course, they will pull a flight, leave you on AD and call you for a series of night flights with low hours. Not sure which is worse!!

Not always! I was rostered 91+, swapped a flight which put me on 92. All quite "legal" in the EK rules. Now my top bid flight (to see family) has been taken!

They could have easily given notice & started this next month :ugh:

If we are that desperate for the money, it sends a bad message to the outside world & presumably kills off any hope for a profit share :mad:

Should i give a nasty sarcastic response or just log off and return to playing with the kids?

The days of 14 week profit shares are long gone. The airline is way too big now to dish out that kind of money, regardless of how much profit we make. There are too many variables these days (closure of one of DXB's rwys, fuel prices always seems to be mentioned on every update, Hello Qantas, new uniform, holding, := factoring, A380s, earthquake 20 mins ago etc etc........). There will always be a reason to safe guard most of the money made rather than share it to 53,285 employees.

3% and 4 weeks

We'll see

I'm led to believe that FlyDubai got 3 weeks and Etihad (Shhhhh) got 4.

Saving face would argue 3-4 weeks :hmm:

Not a chance
 

The :mad: that run this zoo will never let it happen.

Lucky you have a Job!
Now back to work you slackers!

flydubai got the following announcement from their CEO:
And they introduced a Profit Share Scheme for financial year 2013.