wiz... not sure but someone ,mentioned lazy line pilots. thats what got me going. I just think that people don't seem to realize for SOME of us flying is our job and our lives are what we do outside this crazy world of airplanes. sometimes not doing training or something that is time consuming has nothing to do with work ethics but to do with personal happiness:ok: i still think EK should make the job attractive enough so the average line guy wants it!

There's a point there, I mean the one with the assessment procedures.

- You join after undergoing the psycho stuff and grilling.
- You upgrade after going through the same mill again.
- You join training after having to pick up soap for the same armchair team a third time ...

But the new DECs joining training will only have to endure that torture once!

Has anyone ever raised the question if the too big failure rate of upgrades and the too small number of training applicants originates right there with the EK psycho team?

Once is enough, for DECs and for normal line pilots.
Maybe more buddies pass the upgrade because they're less demoralized and more captains join training because they don't have to bow to some morons again. Result:
No need for DECs and we could save some money by reducing the psycho team.

Note to yourself: Stop reading PPrune, that pleases all.

Who is considering joining Emirates as an FO? I can't imagine anyone with any kind of self esteem wanting to have their command further delayed by DECs.
On the same note what makes the QF joiners think they are going to pass the selection at Emirates this time around? No one has Qatar as their first choice so that means they probably failed in their attempts to get into Ek the first time around. And they think they are going to pass this time?
We all know Emirates is very desperate but not that desperate.
Good luck

EK DEC
 

Hi there!!!

I was wondering whats the CV ( age and TTime ) of the standard EK Capt. and FO as well.

On the other hand, whats the age of the youngest EK B777 Capt and TTime.

Best regards

"Who is considering joining Emirates as an FO?"

I guess anybody who wants a good job with the fastest time to a wide body command of all airlines today.

Why did you take it? Did Qatar turn you down?

Who says EK is a good airlines Patty? Never mind we know what airline you are flying at and I am sure Emirates looks like a good airline to you and your experience.
Never applied to Qatar thank God. Emirates is bad enough. You probably think even QF is a good airline.

Swan Man

Sorry but you're pathetic. You're trashing every other airline and their crews. Only you and EK are good enough... and still you are complaining about the people that would apply to EK....

If you think EK is crap then leave, find the other airline that gives you a command faster (if any) and live a nice life.

Please tell us when you find your nirvana...

Taking DEC trainers (elect) is an admission of defeat.

For whatever reason, MM can't make the job attractive enough for those in the company to want to do it. Personally, it's about the lifestyle. The extra money would be handy but something better than min days off and being forced to end up a TRI/TRE would make a big difference. (I know they say you can stay TRI-AO for a while but they still expect you to go the whole hog eventually).

Patty you and your lot just aren't worth it. Look what you have done to the industry. You think EK is a good job. Now that is pathetic!
No wonder, you could never get a good job like at AF, BA, LH, AA, DL, QF and now you want to jump the line at Emirates. You couldn't get hired at a real airline and now you want to jump the line at a middle of the road airline.
You couldn't pass the 1st time around what makes you think you will pass this time around?

Speaking of the devil ... have they hired any DECs yet?
DECs or newly upgraded captains are a workload for the F/os just the same:-)

they hired a bunch of DEC's on the airbus I was told, that means 330 forever as there will be no more transition from 330 to the 380 soon.

Sorry to hear that, if you are in the Airbus.
But, again, this is EK and things can change quicker than the weather in Seattle or Melbourne.

Noooooooooo. . . . . :{

First DEC interviews this week

Prioritising Ex EK Crew and TRI/TRE's

Apparently over 1000 applications

150 DEC's this coming financial year which wont affect FO upgrades :hmm:

They will be put through the entire Command course. So training is min 35 days.

Selection is going to apparently be much tougher than the previous intake for DECs

Well with over 1000 applications and only 150 to pick - it will be cherry picking time. Those that get through will have to work hard but they will deserve the position once they pass the line check.

No DEC deserves the position especially since Emirates does not need DECs and they severly disadvantage the hard working FOs here.
Originally only 50 DECs and now 150? And this is not going to disadvantage any FO? You can't be that delusional!

Show me one EK FO that hasn't been screwed by some policy changes over the last 6 years, I haven't met one so far.

Always wondered how EK managed to survive all this time with such a stupid policy of only upgrading FO .:ugh:
With a huge number of plane on order sooner or later they had to come back to the old habit like the competitor neighbors.

As a Capt on the B777 with more than 3500h on type If I decide to join EK I will have to do it on the right seat an wait for all the FO to complete their upgrades before I can move back to the left seat woooh.

Who ever managed to sell a stupid idea like this to Emirates in this highly competitive market, for such a long time must be very very good.:ok:

Congratulation,

They survived by upgrading FOs with a minimum of 3000hrs on type, usually many more, with a proven track record, and unlike DECs joining us from outside, a good level of exposure to a network that most other airlines who operate and handfull of 777s would never have seen. Oh and one more thing, our FOs have operated just about every varient of 777 that exists, not just one or two.

Don't get me wrong I think we need all the pilots we can get, but many a so called experienced 777 qualified pilot has come here and flunked, some have been outright dangerous...our FOs are highly experienced, well trained and competent, so if your coming here as a DEC don't make the mistake of thinking that you’ll breeze through just because you have a bit of time on type.