If you are on @ 18k /m with housing and kids education looked after why would you ever think of coming to EK?

Which is why i ask my friend. To do or not to do ..
Need the numbers tho....;)

True , but the TC's are all on the website. Don't know if all the talk of pensions will apply to EK and if it did would it apply to pilots.

Just a correction, whossorrynow's figures for captain's pay are not correct, they're optimistic by about 5,000AED.

Basic salary for captains is 36,140AED (about $9840USD). With 84 hours @60AED = 5100AED, that equals 41240AED (about $11,300 USD).

That is how the figure on the career website is derived.

The figures listed earlier take the basic, 85 hours of flight pay, and THEN add another 75 hours on top. As much as EK would love to wring 160 hours/month out of their slaves, even they can't do that. I'm not sure why you were given the figures you were, except that I would hazard a guess that as usual, the people giving all sorts of advice about Emirates...don't actually work there.

These figures are before any deductions. Which are correct. As far as allowances, they're pretty much exactly what any unhealthy hotel meal costs, at whatever discounted rate EK could negotiate. Wouldn't count too much on getting rich off the per diems, if you can keep your BMI in check consider yourself ahead.

So no, you won't be making near 12,000USD/month. Put it another way, an EK captain makes less than 10k/month basic to operate a widebody. If you're really making 18k to live in a real country you have to be insane to even give it a thought.

If whosorry is to be believed(and i have no reason to do otherwise), approx 11.5k pm plus layover allowances plus your profit sharing. Optimistically 11.5+1+1=13.5k usd pm for 75 hrs flying and average layovers of 15 days @70usd/day(approx), and 1k pm profit share. At 13.5 k Usd pm why on god's green earth do you fellas work in the pit, sacrificing your lifestyles as such. Unless the standard of living ir really really cheap, i just don't get it. And I THOUGHT I WAS GETTING THE sad end of he stick. Wow.
Suddenly it's all falling in place.
And if nolim is to be believed, i'm at a loss of words. Lemme check the brief again....:ooh:

They may well be correct. I took the basic salary from PPJN but had no idea it included 85 hours of work. Sorry to mislead you.

The allowances are for time at the out-station, not time away from base, most layovers are 24 hours, 4 or 5, maybe 6 a month.

So whossorry. What is YOUR TAKE HOME salary these days ...
Pray tell..

Question about applying.

6000 total. 2200 jet PIC, standards captain. Biggest jet flown is a CRJ200.

Would a 777 type help getting an interview and a certified international course help too?

Bunktime,
By what I hear approx 14k Usd PM seems to be the norm here for a 777 driver. Which, if true is at least 20% below the international salary norm for a widebody captain.
Now one of my own. Presume that I take a fully furnished villa from the company. Do i have a choice of where i can take it. Also, has there ever been a situation where the company has asked a captain to vacate or change his villa due administrative reasons?
Can a pilot do the same. That is,request for a change of accomodation, say after 1-2 years if say the villa is below par in some way.
Considering the move seriously. Dont know if the poor salary helps tho. Hopefully it will be negated by the not so high living cost in dubai i presume...

Thanks. But still wondering. If i can get some actual figures from some real EK pilots in the pit. Would be great.

Jungle drums say 330 transition courses end in Oct 2012. Another two 330s painted white and parked near engineering about to be handed back to owners. I wonder who will pick up those late night turns to India?

the Don

Thanks contacted. What about profit share. And approx layover allowance?
Same for T7 drivers?
Thanks again ..

@Contracted
I have one kid in high school. Doesn't seem worth it bro...
Just too low on the salary. Wonder who they would attract.
No way, anybody in the normal world. Sadly.
Though I would love to join. But the pay n perks just ain't worth it. Not even close to what i'm getting right now ..
Off to mah erdinger now ..

I may have over stated it when i said 'far from correct'. But a 10-20% off target is more like it. Don't you think.
But i know you mean well. And that's what matters. Thanks for the timely info to all concerned.
:)

Somebody mentioned dubai being a cheap city. It is definitely not inexpensive. Food, utilities, hotels, leisure activities, trips to the coffee shop, etc will all most likely cost you much more than you are used to. The only cheap things in dubai are related to labor. You can get your car washed for 20 aed or find a maid from a poverty stricken country to clean your house for next to nothing. Everything else will cost you quite handsomely.

It's all relative to where you come from.

Cost of Living Comparison Between Dubai, United Arab Emirates And London, United Kingdom

Anyway I'm heading out Friday. Heard its a bit hot!

A380 Jock......nice name......:rolleyes:
Got some friends n colleagues in the pit. No one seems to be making more than about 12 to 12.5K usd pm(not including housing and education).
Is that at all true.
My current take home after taxes is close to 16K usd(company accomo ie hotel rooms and one kid education taken care of).
How do you come to a figure of 14k. If that be it, then here i come...
Had completely trashed the thought after reading what they offered. But now i don't know. Might just be worth it eh.

Contacted,
Don't you guys get layover or nightstop allowances in the pit? What does that amount to. And company bonus?
What's a rough figure ..

I salute your patience Contacted.

As has been stated several times We get paid a meal allowance, it will vary from $20 to $100 per night. It is based on the discounted menu price for whatever meals you are on base for. Some destinations have no allowance as the meals are provided.
No one can give an average for the profit share as it has varied for zero weeks to 14 weeks.
Contacted has provided accurate salary details.

The Don

Thanks don/contacted.
Appreciate this. Will help.
Gonna rethink seriously.
Cheers

Thanks Jockey,
But i'm too happy in my current outfit. The T & C's just ain't enuff for me to bite on.
Seriously. Just not enuff....
Sorry.
Thanks for the pm.

No need to be morose and apologetic, Bunktime, I suspect Emirates will survive without you. Somehow.

More likely you were never serious about it and it was all just empty talk, in which case thanks anyway but we get enough of that from management.

Don, based on that very limited amount of information, the average is 7 weeks.

Whats the salary for a new TRE.

What is the housing allowance for a FO with wife and 1 kid?

what is the delay for take off
 

Are these questions getting silly, or is it just me....glf

In six years here it has been 4,14,0,2.5,12 and 0. It is based on how much the company makes over it's target.

I BELIEVE this year is going "Reasonably" well- so maybe on track for one of the smaller numbers, or maybe another zero!!

Base + 8 500dhs appointmen pay + 1 100 Transport allowence.

You also get 1 000dhs for each training duty in exess of 12 per month- most TREs doing 15-18 at the moment.

The Wife + kid makes no difference to the Accomodation allowence- it DOES entitle you to a Company Villa if you take the company option, plus education for your Children (max of 3 at a time).

FO allowence if ??150 000?? dhs/yr (ABOUT that, but an FO can give you the exact number).

Guys who fly for EK - do you have a set number of days off a month? or a min? or average?

also, does EK abide by FAA duty limits?

Tonne- Minimum 8 but line guys currently achieving up to 16.

We fly to GCAA FTLs which are based on JAR rules- actually generally more restrictive than FAA.

WV2

I know which school you are refering to and It's a shame you've been slammed, but please don't paint all Dubai schools with the same brush- yes that one IS mainly facade- but a little reaserch revealed that soon after it opened.

There are some bad, ordinary and bloody good schools in Dubai- I'm sure YOU know which one I'm talking about when I say my Kids both go to a Secondary school that scored in the top 100 of ALL British schools in both GCSE and A levels last year, and which costs significantly less than the Magic Castle.

Hi folks looking at a move to EK in the future (if they will have me) and looking for some info on the leave/staff travel at EK.

Smoke and Mirrors posed this question earlier, can anyone shed some light on it.

"How does personal travel work on EK? Can you list standby, or is it all ID90 type stuff? As far as vacation goes, I understand you get 43 vacation days per year, how hard is it to get the time off that you want, and what blocks of time do they usually grant? How much is paid if any?"

Thanks

1 free Annual Leave Ticket per year for each immediate family member. For the first 3 years this has to be used to tavel back to your designated " Home", after that, anywhere on the network.

Economy upgradable to Business for F/Os, J upgradable to First for Captains, HOWEVER they will not upgrade children under 16 (bloody silly!!)

Apart from that, you can buy "CAT A" tickets which are standby and basically ID90 on any flight, or "Cat C" which are firm space but only a limited number are released (usually if they are confident the flight won't sell out, so you are PROBABLY as well off with a Cat A!!).

Leave- you SHOULD get one block of 21 days "Peak Leave (Christmas and Summer) once every two years (standing by for stories from people you didn't- SEEMS most do these days), the rest of the 42 days is reasonably available at any other time, though it varies with fleet and requirements at the time.

Hope that helps!!

Wizofoz

Assuming that for example I never do any holidays during the summer, should I be able to go back home for Christmas every 2 years?

That's the normal procedure in my family, avoid summer season as places get crowded but, thinking about Dubai's weather maybe is a good idea to get some rest during the hot. :confused:

Why is no upgarde for under 16 silly and I thought it was changed to 13.BTW it's expat brats that cause all the problems.

Don't believe it has, FB.

It's silly because it means a Captains snotty five year old can get firm space Business, but an FOs 15 year old can't get an UPGRADE to Business.

Archer- in theory, yes.

But YES getting some time away from the heat is a good idea. If you have kids, they get a little "Cabin fevour" ish when stuck here for the Summer Hols. The weather at Christmas is glorious- so get the Family to come here instead!!

Thank you very much Wizofoz.

No kids yet, and bringing all the family to DXB in Christmas will be a difficult thing, may EK send us a 380 to BCN to bring them... :ok:

Just to clarify fatbus - kids under 16 can't upgrade from their father's/mother's entitlement; but if the children are over 13 then the parents may upgrade and travel in a separate cabin. ie a skipper and his wife can go First if space available whilst 13 and 14 year old travel in Business...

Bit of a generalisation isn't it? There are well behaved kids from everywhere, and there are brats from everywhere. If my kids misbehave they'll get a clip round the ear;)

Far from it mate. I've seen awful behaviour from kids of all nationalities.

Some of the parents are actually worse than the kids!

But in most cases, children of staff are generally beautifully behaved. Once had a little girl travelling in J, she was delightful. Please, thank you, may I, excuse me prefaced everything she asked for. However I'm not sure who taught her that as her mother was an absolute nightmare! Keep an eye on your wife guys, she might just create issues for you if she doesn't know how to behave :E

WK, I think you were on one of my flights... kid was being a right handful, dad gave him a clip, quite rightly, had to try not to laugh as was exactly what my father would have done!

Sorry for the drift, back to the thread....

Actually GMW my kids have been good as gold once on board, especially now as they are large teens. When they were small the problem was always in the terminal where they got bored - especially at OhThreeThirtyHours:{

I don't know guys, but 11k take home isn't bad at all considering it's tax free.

Here I might not pay for my kid's tuition but I only take 7.5K home after income tax and all the deductions (52%) and I have to pay my mortgage, municipal taxes and utilities on top of that...

EK automation policy
 

Hi,

didn´t want to open a new tread, so here my specific Q:
can someone tell me what the automation policy is at EK?
Thanks!