Oh mighty wizard, I beg you not to kick my worthless corpus already prone and humiliated in front of you.
Esteemed squire, I have hitherto admired your wisdom but you also put my pathetic attempt of humor to shame by delivering a response that rivals the great quills of Shakespeare and Kipling. Your wit, the artistry of your sarcasm and thy command of the lingua franca is indeed masterly...

P.S. In case you have problems to comprehend the message, here in short Oz lingo:
Pretty lame attempt mate!:hmm:

P.P.S. what part of "I rest my case" needs further explanation?

This will NEVER happen because of UNIONS... When tug-drivers get paid more than F/Os at places like BA then it shows how the west is screwing it's own industry...

I was in BALPA once - total waste of time:{:{

@studi
 

...a well balanced and thought through post.:ok:
I am done with the handbags but you already got a taste of what the state of mind of some EK apologists is, brace for more!

Unions, the evil forces that destroy the work of the noble managers!
I dont know a lot about Balpa, but we are talking about LH, where the unions are an integral part of the success and the social stability.
As in whole Germany the unions and companies mostly try to work together to solve problems and survive any crisis. Why is the most unionized industry, like car makers and machinery engineering, the backbone of the success story of Germany's export?
Just look at the sad state of the US industry leading to the eradication of the middle class caused to a great extend by union bashing! Although the neo-cons, while giving tax breaks for companies shipping jobs out of the US, will blame the unions for that as well.

With the power the corporations have over most governments, the slogans like "globalization", "fair trade" and "developing nations" are just that...smoke and mirrors for their greedy plans to make the whole world a big market without any rules for them.

But like you see there are always selfish individuals who see a union as an kind of worthless insurance policy and don't see the social responsibilities with their co-workers.
As long as they are getting a high salary they are fine with everybody else getting shafted...they are the perfect puppets for the masters in the middle east...and watch them cry foul when THEY eventually get f:mad:d.

A big problem of globalization is the trend to raise the profits to western standard but lower the conditions for workers to third world level...and thereby destroying what generations have fought for...the outcome will sadly be social unrest...

mein verehrter Schibulsky is quite correct!

Mister studi should be aware of "all the problems with underprized subsidized usage of infrastructure and finance" that are happening within the EU, particularly with CAP.

Nearly half the EU budget goes toward subsidising agriculture.

So from the rest of the world, GET STUFFED, we don't care if you don't like other country's policies in regard to anything!

It doesn't matter where l live, you are screwing every one (the rest of the globe!) with this little treasure!

halas

ps Greece/Ireland/etc could do with some of that cash!!!!:}

Hey Schib. The Philippines is a LOT CHEAPER than Bali! But then again, if you flew there you'd realise that:ok

Noble managers? Never been such a thing! Do NOT tell ME how to live my life oh 'sour kraut'. Or should I say mein freund! Excuse me for spending my childhood in the Fatherland and learning to speak, read and write German... Couldn't wait to get back to Mother England; and humour, wit, fish & chips and beer without two inches of stupid, pointless BUBBLES:ugh::ugh:

Isn't this about LH and EK???
Didn't know the farmers were running the airlines in the EU...:eek:
Please take this one
and replace "rest of the world" with Germany or Canada and "other country's" with the Middle (age) east.
Oooops, happened already?!...lots of complaints about that I think!
Anyway, I thought we started to discuss this topic reasonably again...but cherry picking one line to ridicule the entire post doesn't really help...:(

@WK
"Noble managers"...never ever thought you would be any of that. ;)
VOT?:confused:
again...VOT? :confused:
And dear Knight...I would never dare to tell you how to live your life...EK is taking care of that!! :E
And honestly, I really don't give a rodent's behind where you spent your childhood or if you rather have a beverage that looks like a urine sample than having some "head" with it :p
Btw. the multiple use of "sour Kraut" is sooo witty:D, what's next?...Nazis, Potatoes or WWII??:ugh:

Anyone else think this has turned into a mindnumbingly boring bitch fight between two of our colleagues. Get a room guys or at least carry on through the vessel that is PM's.

Thanks.

No dusty I don't!

WK IS one of our colleagues, Shib is NOT! He left a while back after a short stint as a dispatcher before winding up the people he worked with/for and being 'encouraged' to resign (this by his own admission I might add), now it seems he has sufficiently c0ck all else to do in Bali apart from wind PILOTS up on a Professional PILOT forum............. The thing is, none of us PILOTS can figure out why! :ugh:

Hey Shib, move along old chap, we realise you hate EK and bare a huge grudge and chip on your shoulder about what happened to you, the thing is, you now have a great life (again we only have your word on this), so go and enjoy and stop trying to get a rise from people still working in your old company!

Look - it is clear - ANYONE can post on these forums!!! We don't have to agree with them. Or have some of you been in Dubai so long that you now succumb to the notion that restricting speech is some how acceptable?

Some love it, some hate it - most of us are right in the middle.

Most of us can read between the lines so let us be. We don't need the thought police on the forum.

Looks like for some guys, not agreeing with you is "winding you up"! A Sophomoric attitude could be one reson.
I leave it to the moderators to decide who started to insult me, my lifestyle, my profession and my nationality...and even continued after I tried to get the discussion back to the original LH/EK issue.
Oblaaspoep probably also likes to close all non-pilot forums like "Ground and Other Ops Forum" (where no ATCO or dispatcher ever tells pilots to F off!) because this is a PILOT site...:ugh:
I carry the FACT that AAR screamed at my VP to fire me, as a badge of honor...I left because I got enough of that clown show and not out of fear of being fired (anyway, to my knowledge they never managed to fire any ground staff below VP, that happened only to PILOTS).
Who of you chicken hawks ever had the balls to really take on the management??
Who of you heros with the big balls ever reported sick several time for the same flight, like I did for every single early shift of a month, just to show them that fatigue is an issue?!?!
It's probably much easier to pretend everything is fine or kick the own dog instead...:ok:
I don't hold a grudge against EK, I just feel sorry for that outfit that could be a good company and a lot more sorry for the delusional opportunists who like to sell it as the pinnacle of aviation!!

Rant over...off to the beach club:p

Thank you Trader. Said what I've been thinking all along. It's a friggin forum, not newspaper articles or news dispatches. Discredit the messenger not the message seems to be the new thought/speech police here now. Sound familiar? Oh, I forgot the grammar and spelling goons as well. Please stick to the topic. If you don't like the topic, close it on your computer.

There must be more to it than only a request
 

International trade with the countries of the ME must be accompanied by universal political and human right issues.

EK should be - based on their dubious agenda and tactics - be severely restricted to fly to any Western country.

The fact that they buy Airbus or Boeing should have nothing to do with it.

Not Lufthansa but the EU Parliment should take this initiative.

... but it's ok when US airlines fly into China and trade with them is a blessing, as they suck up your debts. Their No1 just got the red carpet in the US.....
Nice double standard.

You have to start somewhere
 

Pool

You have to start somewhere. The ME is an area with a lot of problems.

The EU can not allow, a family that owns a country, to abuse it's sovereign status for it's own intrest.

A lot of the ex-pats that work in the ME are there out of sheer egocentric reasons rejecting the principles of solidarity.

I know the world is not perfect but you have to start somewhere.

Agree, but why does everyone want the guys to start that are the biggest threat to their own economy, as opposed to start themselves?
Start with no longer buying their oil and no longer selling them aircraft.
Oooops, but that would also hurt your own economy ......

What to do?????

Pool:

The US flies to China. The UAE flies to the USA. China flies to the USA. USA flies to the UAE.

So Your point is... ?

If you want to break it down and start looking at who buys what you might as well just look at where the GDP of each country goes.

My point: The US buys alot more from China than China of the US.

Same for US/UAE.

This is not forced buying. You get that... you are selling the oil. YOU are benefiting from selling your oil. You cannot say, that because the US buys oil, then you must get landing slots, because guess what, the fair trade already occured. You set the price for the oil, and the US paid it. One asset for another.

If your trying to equate fairness and balance in terms of buying aircraft, and that having some relation to entitled landing slots, im sorry, you cannot sell me that argument intelligently.

Desertbananas

You're barking up the wrong tree. Fair trade and surplus/deficit was discussed before.

This was about the argument:
and that's why I brought in China/US - a little tongue in cheeck as well ...

Well, Bisignani made the point in ....Montreal! yesterday. I think this says it all.

Solidarity with what?whom?
-The EU and its undemocratic processes ("You voted against?- Vote again and get it right this time Ireland"), unsigned- off annual expenditure , huge waste, massively expensive protectionism for inefficient farmers, beaurocratic arrogance and inefficiency?
-People who don't see the opportunities around the world and go for them?
-Those who enjoy high taxation, massive surveillance, gloomy climates?
It doesn't sound a very attractive proposition.