@ archer-
Do you know how it is for people who have joined in the LHS? Are they given a chance to change type i.e. longhaul fleet? If so how long does it take? Is it done according to seniority?
Thanks for any insights!

Sunrig

I can't tell you. The most senior foreign captain here joined the company around 3 years ago. For the locals it takes a while to pass from 320/737 to the wide bodies.
I don't know what will happen in the future, all I can say is that foreign captains are in the same seniority as locals.

Thanks archer!

Five additional 777s for Turkish: Turkish Airlines orders five additional 777-300ERs

Any rumours of THY opening up to include ICAO licences in addition to JAA?

Turkish Airlines - THY Recruitment (Merged)
 

I possess none of the qualifications you describe so I will leave it to your domain.

Has anyone passed the FI selection? Any news about the assessment?

A friend has received an offering email from PARC aviation regarding employment in THY and they were said the hiring id open to all licences including ICAO.

THY
 

I dont think they will accept ICAO licenses anymore... The reason why it is really hassle to have the validation which includes 3 written exams in capital, skill test and it is just good for a year non-renewable... It is worthless.. They have been audited by EASA for the mutual recognition and were told to issue validation for ICAO licenses as per Part-FCL which states exactly the one... So try to convert your license if you dont have EASA yet...

University Degree
 

You are right mate... As per the company procedure (Not national) you should have University Degree to be eligible for upgrade... However, this is applicable for joining as well for Turkish Pilots...
However, the new entry expats were not required to have this degree and exempted... Therefore, I dont think this will create an issue for the upgrade
This is kind of a discrimination against Turkish pilots but nevertheless it is the management decision to attract foreigners since most of the EU pilots are not University Graduate...
THY will see some of the Foreigners to be upgraded soon because they have merged the seniority of locals and expats recently which was a good movement..

Yabanci Re. CFIT
 

Yabanci Re CFIT

A matter of time,short time!

Another A320 nearly hit the Marmariss in April 270 (V/S1500) feet 4 miles final 05 IST at night TURKISH CREW F/O saved the day by ordering G/A. This has all been kept very quiet, as usual.
They filled an unstable approach ASR which was good until ATC sent the copy of the radar trace to the management !
They were awarded good flying medals, no doubt,for making the right decision to G/A.😂😂😂
5 seconds from disaster on a CAVOK night🙈🙈
Alt

10% regulations for FO's end of 2013
 

Just be informed that there is a Turkish regulation in force that by the end of this year the maximum amount of foreign co-pilots should not exceed 10% of the total amount of FO's. If the company has more then 10% they will be not able to get a work visa and validation.

@AirBizz
 

GOOD MORNING :rolleyes:

good morning to you too !!

No government airline will put airplanes on the ground because the other side of the government has made a visa rule. It just goes higher and higher untill it reaches Erdogans desk. They will come up with something. Limited time contracts possible

Hello All,
I'm just joining the thread now. I'm concerned about something related about the real career opportunities THY may offer for FO's. Now it is true they are offering a "permanent contract" but in the recruitment advertisements they still request as minimal educational level Hight School.
As at the begging of this thread (2010) it can be seen that well before it was requested a Bachelor degree (four years) to join as FO.
This requirement of University Degree is necessary to be upgraded as Captain. For the time being the procedure for upgrade is clear and strict on that. In the event that an University degree is available, it has to be recognized by Turkish educational council, and then it would be accepted by THY.
I mean, It doesn't sound nice that as first officer, there in not other option than being stuck in that position because the lack of an university degree, no matter the experience, full ATPL etc.
I believe that for the new guys joining the company, this point is not clarified in the interviews and for some FO's already in the company it is still not clear.
Cheers!!

There is no such thing as a permanent contract in Turkey. Forcing an employee to work more than a month, or vice versa forcing an employer to keep you employed for more than one month after notice is not possible in practice. Usually they just don't care about renewing your working permit or license validation if they want to terminate, and there is nothing you can do about it.

If they are unable to find locals to upgrade or DECs then you might be upgraded but when a local is ready to take your spot you are out for sure. Go there for the food, money, weather and the hours and maybe a new type-rating. I wouldn't go there for many other causes as a yabanci.

@ga_flps1
 

Dude,
What else do you need from a country apart from Money, Weather, Food, Hours? :\ these are the things I am looking for as most of us, and would definetely go there if they really provide the mentioned above.. If you are looking for long term stable position with an option to be retired, then your own country is always best place to settle... But, in an expat life dont think anywhere including mighty UAE can give you these things all together...

Money: with the Turkish lira hovering at 2 for a USD and 2.7 for a Euro you will not get much. Salaries are down 30% they tell me since I joined. Fortunately I left when it was still at around 1.7 USD

Weather: pretty nice in summer but cold and rainy for the rest of the year. Istanbul is in the Balcan my friend enjoy the cold wind coming from Russia and black Sea

Food: after having tried every possible combination of ground meat,kebab, white cheese, eggplants, rice , olives and tomatoes and yogurt I can think of a few better places for that too.

Plus you will have the privilege of working for a company that has no whatsoever interest in expat pilots, just a temporary unwanted but needed fix ( don't forget expat became an insurance requirement after the 14th crash in Amsterdam and this show that probably being a scientist does not really makes the difference..may be the opposite ) as this absurd bull**** about University degrees demonstrates and the one to leave in a city where rents are higher than London and where the only thing left of one of the most beautiful city in the World , Bisantium or Costantinopolis, is the bureaucracy. While still interesting as a tourist living there for an expat is constant daily frustration. People are nice.. but you will not bond with anybody as a non Muslim. You might say what you like but at least EK,EY,QR and the like offer much more expat friendly environment and , if you like it, permanent employment with no silly requirements or career limitations.But the Turks has someone said..know better..:ugh:
As an FO I would stay a few hundreds miles away. They have nothing to teach and ,no career, no go.. unless desperate and for short time.

Porkflyer,

Renting a nice apartment is 1500-2500 liras (€550-800) in Istanbul. Renting something outside of the ghetto in London would probably cost way much more.

They've had a couple of increases in pay this year and making a salary of more then 16000 liras consistently is not unrealistic (€6000 net) for a first officer.

You could always goto Norwegian or Ryan and make half of that when everything is paid for the way it should. Living costs can be quite low if you import your own car and don't spend too much on women. So all in all, economically I would say that it is a competitive alternative in todays market.

The duty/rest-times are a joke and it's very hard work. Do not expect being able to go home for more than a couple of days every other month.

THY just announced that all expat pilots have to convert their EASA licenses to turkish DGCA ones till 31.12.2014. :ugh:

No additional training or examination is required and fees will be covered by THY.

What does that mean practically?

Hard times if you decide to leave :8

To understand THY you need to understand Turkish culture and the fact that , while it has many positive sides it is simply incompatible with a modern, efficient safe flight operations. A tendency to machism, a somehow limited view of life, delusional self promotion, a certain closure to the world and a tendency to avoid confrontation, lack of real competencies and gigantic problems of CRM and with the official aviation language. Tick boxing is the result with no real education. A no cheese just holes safety model where the only real barrier is maintenance and technology. The socio-political situation does not help. A vastly crooked opportunistically Islamic Government dreaming, and selling the dream, of a new Empire and riding the waves of a vastly over inflated economy. Good marketing, temporarily favorable economics ( for THY), labor laws and weak unions. As an expat, beside the impossible rosters that will leave no no space for a life, you have to stand all other sorts of negative side effects. Plus the total confusion.It really looks like they really don't know what they are doing. Work permit , resident permits , validations, apron cards,a totally uncoordinated bureaucratic madness. I and, I must say very fortunately , left when they asked me to convert my ICAO into EASA and gave me a month for it. And now I read that they are going to Turkish DGAC license? WTF ??? They really need to put their act together as they don't stand a chance and they are getting a reputation...

What I am saying is that the THY may not be the best place to work, but I dont think worst either.. So plan your life, add some hours, maybe another type then do whatever you want... In the meantime, enjoy being close to home if you are european etc..

enjoy being close to home
 

exactly, that is the only thing you can do - ...nothing else, because you have not really a decent chance to go home for reasons mentioned already in several posts above :ugh:

As the same happened to me, I joined to come closer to home, but at the end its better to be far from home and can go home on a regular base e.g. 6on 2 off, than sitting in IST and having no chance to go home, especially if you can already see the church spire of your home and you realize NO way to go home, because of this oppresors.

Yes, they want you to do the Turkish Licence as they cannot comply with European standards, yet they will only accept pilots who have an EASA licence. Not ICAO or FAA.

Honestly, who are these clowns???!!! :ugh::mad:

TUI Nordic wants Swedish licenses, RYR wants IAA, UK carriers want a CAA. It's not something special in the aviation business..

Xolon: it's not the same for Turkey and THY; you can't ask European pilots to get rid of their EASA license for a turkish one; no Expat will want to lose his JAA or EASA license! How could you EVER find a job somewhere else after if needed?

FBW390

True, I love mine..

I though Turkey licensing was according the JAA/EASA regulations?

If I'm right: Turkey is accepted by JAA but will not be by EASA

In the other direction: Turkey accepts JAA and now EASA licenses

they, the Turkish, were accepted by JAA but (luckily) no longer by EASA.
It's good and I hope EASA will resist and not again allow the Turkish to get any kind of a EASA membership.
People with insight knowledge may probably agree.......as they know why....

THY assesment
 

Hi everyone,

I have to attend the THY screening on B737 and I would appreciate any information and feedback about the HTA test, English test and Sim from pilots whose already working there or did the screening already.
You can MP me as well. :ok:


Thank you guys.

Hey Nicolas sorry I can't help you for the screening for FO but I assume it is standard stuff. Just beware of the following:

1) On 737 you will have a maximum of 8 days off od which max 4 in a row.

2) The salaries are down 20% in USD or EURO terms due to the fall of the TL

3) You will not be upgraded if you do not have 4 year college degree and also if you do it might not be approved by local authorities

4) The professional level is far from fantastic. Very old style... this is a captain company. CRM is a just a word they fill their mouth with. Lots of ex military pilots with attitudes and no real standard.

enjoy

not only THY, as yabanci posted, but all Turkish airlines are not good for expats :mad:

Really you lot crack me up, if it aint good, then go back to your own country and fly there:ok: really feel sorry for THY that they have to settle for these sorry bunch of pilots:ugh:

Turkish Assessment!
 

Hello

Could someone tell me what the HTA test consist of during assessment?

you can pm me if you like.

Thanks

First of all kind of rude to call somebody prick kind of shows your character and what kind of man you are you w@nker:E Iam very aware of The turkish aviation scène. If you dont have an option to go home, you dont disrespect the hand that feeds you.I hate the roster as well i know the shortcomings, I know all the problems however it is my choice to be here nobody forced me to come here and i decide if it is time to go , so what is your point here,that you are mentally challenged.And by the way I passed the screening and unfortunately it is not fool proof as i can see.

HTA test
 

Pilotdreamer

The HTA test is actually quite simple dont wory about it. It is not the same standard as the european tests you are used to, I am not kidding it is really simple, questions group exercise and personal interview.

Well old pupoloscano glad you changed your original post with you disrespecting the people from the 3th world i found it quite improper and racist, but to set your mind at ease iam not from the 3th world iam from the 1st world ..wauw iant that great:\... And you are right a mature person would be able to take critisism and now go and look up critisism and reread your post..... However lets drop that subject and get to the point,

Did you ever hear of figure of speech ? The hand that feeds you ,figure of speech got it ?

For the first time though i have to agree with you, you are absolutely correct that you deserve to get paid for the job you do, my only point is paisan if you are not happy be a man make the decision and leave because all this negative bull**** is not making it easier for everybody, lets just stick to the facts..

I wish you many happy landings pupoluscano and this is meant :ok: