I'm tired of this crap... 85 hours with most of it being back side of the clock. Well, aside from the f$% sim support.

Minimum days off and turn arounds up the ying-yang. I see India night turn arounds so damn much I fell like I could apply for Indian citizenship.

What a bunch of crap.

This place is a joke. Already bad and getting worse by the day.

sorry to dissapoint, but I'm not unhappy with March sched
 

Yes, I'm doing 91:50, but its my bottom bid month, no turns, and yes a stby day before ULR. Worst part of the sched is a 418, which isn't that bad.

Thanks God I'm out of there....
 

.....never felt better in my life!

Just be sure to call in sick and state "fatigue" as the reason. Make sure it's been marked in your roster as SKF since crew scheduling will try to not mark it as fatigue and make it look like you "just" called in sick. Unless we create hard evidence for fatigue issues at the airline, nothing will change.

Had my medical recently and talked to the doc about 92+ hr rosters and fatigue, they are very supportive of changing this but can't really do anything unless pilots report unfit due to fatigue.

As per 3-Pilot ULR's, just do one and call in unfit due to fatigue right after and go to the clinic and get a couple days off to recover, hopefuly missing a flight or two. Since we are so incredibly short on pilots, that will throw quite a wrench in the system and cause a lot disruptions.

Remember, without evidence and a paper trail NOTHING will change.

Then I guess it must be another troff who's got two long Oz trips, a UK layover with a return sector through the night, four X days then leave...

'Typically a bunch would be more than four - two is a couple, three and four are called a few, so more than that is often called a bunch.'

95 hours, good lord. I may have to moderate the moderating with this roster :ugh::ugh::sad:

EGGW

........does the bidding system actually work ?:ugh::ugh: Before would get 4 out of 5 of my bids but since 92hrs/max roster l hardly get what l bid for. This month on the advice of fellow "sufferers" didn't bid and lo an' behold....... got most of the flights l had bid for in the previous months........:}

welcome to the 777, AB not bad this month. ULR 4 pilots SLR 3 pilots same as the bus 3-4 years ago, its not something that is new!

Things are getting better, JFK 3 pilots, YYZ on the 380, remains at 4 pilots for a 10 minutes block time difference :ugh: Back to bed, soooooo tired, keep recovering!

I don't think the 380 guys are working too hard, so they have to make up hours for them some where....

Originally 94:55 hours, but already one layover trip has been removed from my roster. So l guess l can look forward to STBY, sim support or night turns instead to get me to 91:59 hours for the month.

Have to say it seemed odd having every ULR crew doing standby prior to a trip. A couple each day would suffice.
Having said that, any three-crew JFK may have to have more than usual coverage ULR standby though, if what was going on five years ago is any indication on the 340.

The 414 standby does have to be realigned if it hasn't already. Not much time to get to work from a call out to beat the curfew.

Discretion out of DXB (and other ports)? Been asked and "told" several times, but never accepted and always declined!


halas

Discretion?
 

A quick question from an outsider-

What is discretion? And how does it apply to "out of Dubai"?

Ramrise

It refers to "With or without Vaseline" and it is legal in the Gulf.

Rostered for mid 90's hours in March.

Burning both ends of the Vaseline candle EK?

Ramrise
Commanders have discretion (up to 3 hours) for use to cover things such as emergencies,delays etc. On a single sector there is normally some "fat" in the schedule between the crews rostered FDP (flying duty period) which consists of a period time to report for the flight and the scheduled flight time.
In the case of such a long flight as this topic crews can report and run out of hours within 15 mins with a small delay (i.e. late pax). If this happens crews can use their discretion or otherwise. You may ask how can it be that a Crew member turns up fit to fly then a few hours later he's not. Difficult one - the landing is some xx hours away. Clearly most posters think 2 crews is the answer, best option for time away from controls. Only 3 crew means less time away. I'm probably safe in saying most (state)airlines use 4 crew

As a result of all those shortages and problems does EK consider about reducing the minimum flight time requirements for the DEC's and FO's???

Incoming!!!!!!

Take Cover!!!!!

Was there a change
 

Mr. Angry, is not a max of 2 hours out of DXB and 3 once airborne.....:confused:

Hi!

IF EK is flying you guys this much, won't about everyone time out at the end of Oct with the 900 hour yearly max???

cliff
NBO

Cliff,

Yes. That is when they will get really creative with the FTLs. As the title of the thread says, we haven't seen anything yet.

Silky

No, up to 3 hours on any single sector or prior to the last sector on multiple sectors. Otherwise, 2 hours. Also, homebase has nothing to do with it. Rules apply regardless of which airport you're operating from. Misconception amongst some that discretion can't be applied out of home base! ULR rules are specific and different. Rules for 3 man ops confusing and contradictory if you work through the various chapters in the FOM. There again, what can you expect from our manuals.............or should I say, CD's!

Suggest we all start getting to know the FDP's inside out. You gonna need to soon when SMNC are on the mobile discussing discretion for your JFK! :hmm: