New housing policy in Qatarairways?
 

Any inside on this one?
It`s supposed to be presented in June according to that ACN from Jan, right?

Which new housing policy?

The one where, if you want to move into company accomodation, you have to pay the company extra because the allowance is 12000qar and the house rent they pay is 15000qar?

Or is the one whereby everybody will be forced to live in company accomdation, no matter what? In this case, what would happen to the furniture allowance they paid us two years ago? Would we have to refund that? What about the fact that most people in own housing are happy there, their families are happy....

Or is it the policy whereby you would have to submit your rent contract, the company would pay the amount stated on the contract but this would be capped to a maximum amount of 10000QAr?

Or is it the one whereby our basic salary would be increased, but the rental allowance decreased so the guys in company housing would bebefit and the others would loose?

Whatever our Human remains dept is planning, it can not be good! We all know miss R.F. loves EK management and hates pilots, so she might follow the EK policy of the moment! No more housing allowance when you opt to live outside!

I hope she does that....and I hope she did the calculation of how many pilots would leave in case she does that...and I hope she did the cost-calculation for her little project as well!

Intresting times ahead I would say!

By the way, did all of you know that we have been paid less than what was agreed upon in our last new package deal. While we all have to pay back the little amount they paid too much during days off in outstation!!!!!, we have been deprived of our telephone allowance and, in many cases, our annual salary increment.


It is time they stopped breaching our contract on a regular bases. We lost already our overtime pay while it is still there in our contract (and new joiners still are being told it is there), allowances are stopped, HOTAC is being degraded, schedule promises are being broken ....:ugh:

-Lets not even talk about 320 special allowance...long time it's gone now.

-Days off "down the route allowance" cancelled WITHOUT ANY notice to crew so far...!!!(salary decrease).Most of us have learnt the news through PPRUNE...:ugh:

-To be honest Schneider, right they never paid 105QR/hour for senior F/O, but they used to paiy us(don't known if still there), a special allowance:1000QR/month instead !
- where i have serious doubt is for salary increase after 4 years in respective grade.There isn't !!
BuT IMHO, according the table they released during the latest increase,more than 2 years now.. we should.
Quote:
"Flight deck crew,who has completed 4 years or more in the respecticve grades will receive the Basic as shown against 4+ years. ANNUAL INCREASE OF 3% will be effected henceforth for each year of completion of services..."

So what should we understand.....???

Another unfair thing
 

Some of us signed four ( 4 ) years training bond in2007. In 2008 it was reduced to 3 years for those joined that year and we are stuck with it and they would not make it 3 years for all of us. The future does not hold anything promising for the pilots in QR.

1000QR was for IRP. Not all senior FOS are IRP. However, if you look at the agreement of the new package a senior FO should be paid according to the FD05 salary scale which is 105QR/hr.

On top of that the IRPs should get the allowance.

After 5 years I think your salary increase should revert to 3% PA. Before that and FO goes from 18000QR to 22000QR basic over 5 years, a captain should go from 26000 to 30000. Thereafter the 3% rule comes in place according to my piece of paper.

Keep dreaming..,3% annual increase after 4+...:=Well thats the paper indeed... just ask couple of captains who have here more than 6..7+ years (as a captain), their basic is 29830...wich is the 4+ basic salary,THAT'S IT my friend; with NO annual increase anymore after that.
Doesn't make sense at all to me,but i'm afraid that's how it is in Q.R today.

So what you're saying is that they signed a contract stating that this was their increase in salary per year and that has not been fulfilled?:confused:
This doesn't seem like something that people would stay quiet about.

It's not on our contract for most of us i guess, but on the latest salary package table released 2 years ago..
As i mentioned "days off down route" payment is also on this table and is part of our salary package , BUT some unprofessional/careless people in the office have simply decided one day to take it out without even advising the crew!!
You can see the level of honesty/loyalty we have here...

QR zig zag HR
 

True senior F/Os where never payed 105 /h which was told on CEO meeting and as well senior Capt if they apply fro villa where told to top up 2000 rials for villa if they want to get it while on CEOs meeting was told it will be given by senority ( after some time its given only to new pilots)
1 more good news is no more villa fro new Captians jojning from India and Singapore ( good they will not come and one which come will see 1 y senior Capt having 4 bedroom villa )
Lets see how many pilots run away this month ? Last month was only 6

So I see miss R.F. is doing her business as usual anyway...

Makes you wonder how she ended up in HR!

Things are going from bad to worse with housing. Qr rented the cheapest built compound, but that is not enough. they dont want to pay for the whole place so there will be non qr people living there. And after removing the option to move out from company accomodation it looks more and more like a plot to make pilots feel as miserable as possible. Good job miss R.F.:D

If these Capt arent getting villas were are they gonna stay. Are they gonna start paying allowance again

QR
 

Apartment why not ? In SIN or India aslo they live in apartment well they are just drivers arent they ? I learn this from 9 floor.

All the above are correct, but the bottom of this is if we dont have support from our superiors , nothing its going to happen, they are the ones to have the responsability for bring this isues to the 9 floor.

"..new captains joining from india and singapore..."
Ooops..let's wait.., heard a lot of them(singaporian) turned down the offer already...:}

Heard gossip that quite a few SQ "released" pilots had there first week in Qatar in what was not promised accommodation - informed HR that they will give it another week or they will be off!!! Any news about that?

If all the rumors are true it will all translate into a very bad start for the relationship between QR and the new pilots. New joiners may take any accommodation they are given as they need the job, but as soon as things improve they will leave. The honeymoon will be over even before the marriage is consummated.

If Qatar Airways wants to keep these pilots for a long time they must find a solution to the housing problem as soon as possible, of course most probably they don't.

As long as HR, with the support of the man at the top, continues to look at pilots as "drivers only" nothing will change.

R.F. hates our guts, the others do not like us...We are there because they need us to have their planes flying, otherwise none of us would be even looked at!

They have become extremely snobbish these days, due to the fact that we actually have the number of pilots required at the moment. At least on paper that is!

What they do not seem to be realising is that most of these new guys have lots of experience in major world airlines. These guys will leave QR at the snap of a finger as soon as an opportunity opens up elsewhere if our T/Cs do not change very rapidly!

The usual short term vision of QR might end up presenting them a HUGE bill by the end of this year! They have been warned by A.K. but they turned deaf and blind, so lets see what happens now.

They will NEVER learn!:ugh:

Suitable accommodation
 

Hi guys,

Whats the latest, its upsetting to read all of these posts, and to top it up an email from HR stating that no Villas are available atr moment and will be offered a 3 BR spacious apartment.

My question is
1.Where are these apartments
2.what is the standard of these
3.Will they be fully or semi furnished
4.Will Villas become available to Cpt's later on? if so approx how long for wait?
5.If we decide not to take up the apartment accommodation offered, can one expect to receive the allowance and then find own accomodation in DOH.

Hope things do improve?

Feel free to PM me if you like.

Thanks!!

Housing provided by Qatar Airways
 

I am due to start with Qatar Airways in a few months and during the road shows held by Qatar Airways in Singapore, we were all told that Captains would be provided with a Villa's on arrival, unfortunately all of pilots in Singapore who are intending to join have been hearing some feed back and rumours over the last few days that this might not be the case, and that there is some housing promblems. This is leaving a lot of us concerned, and now are reconsidering wether to make the move or not to Qatar. I would appreciate if somebody could give us the true picture on the provided Captains housing for new arrivals over next few months. Thanks

Qatar Airways should e-mail all the pilots that will be affected by the housing situation and let them know in advance what is really happening and what can they expect once they land in Doha.
What are their options? are the apartments only temporary?, how long they expect the pilots to be there?, are they prepared to offer a rental allowance so the pilot can look for his own accommodation?

Let the pilots decide what they want to do, is better to do it now than letting the rumor spread all over the place.

Cruising along
 

PM me please

Hopefully all the Captains who dont get villas will not come and they will before forced to upgrade/transition in house

What you should do before joining:

1) Contact whatever person you have been dealing with in HR. Use the coordinates of the person wo send you the joboffer!

2)As him/her to clarify the situation in writing to you. If this seems to be impossible to obtain,ask the coordinates of his/her manager so you can contact HR directly. But remembre, you WANT something in writing. Ad Verbum means nothing in this part of the world!

3) If this does not work, contact Mr J.Gonzales on [email protected]. He is the flight ops admin manager and he is in charge of pilot welfare. If he can not help you, nobody can! He is not our biggest fan but I am sure if you annoy him long enough, he will make sure the person responsible will deal with you!


This housing thing seems to be all messed up so especially for the pilots on the verge of moving here, everything should be cleared out before making the move!

Stand up for your rights! It is not because at EK everything is going down the drain, the same should happen overhere!:mad:

Mr. Cruise
 

Cruising, check your PM

J. G
 

Ha ha ha make me lough . Aske Salavadorian pilots how J. Gonzo help them in TACA . He help them to resign by reducing salary and benifits.

The housing policy in QR has never been adequate anyway.
We have single captain in Villa, and F/O with family and kids in 2/3 bedroom flat desperated to have a villa.
And if they asked to swap; the standard answer in Q.R: "not allowed"!
Pilots with family should be given a villa, Single pilots should be given a flat;that's it.

United2009,


if you read between the lines I would say that P.C. was exactly saying that! He is asking all the new joiners to flood your friend JG with mails so he finally does what he is is OVERpaid for!

I agree totally with LOC: PILOTS with family should get a villa, pilots without villa an appartement! Has got nothing to do with being Capt or FO! But it seems like no villas are being given anymore!

So the Doha rental market prices are going down but still HR opts to annoy the pilots by, once more, unilaterally changing the housing policy? While they offered villas of 15000QR/month the last 3 years, nowadays when a villa costs 12000QR they refuse the same?

Sounds once more like a cocked up policy from an overly active HR manager trying to score with the big boss. Or is it RF again, just copying the new housing policies at EK and EY blindly, just for the sake of it!

QR has a chance during this crisis to surpass their main competitors, to become the best employer in the region and to successfully stock up on pilots for when the market picks up again (first signs of recovery passed us already). But the HR dictatorship apparently has decided otherwise...

The chief maybe should start considering that his whole HR department might be staffed by EK/EY spies, trying to bring down QR from the inside! Because that is exactly what they are doing at the moment!

familly ,kids ....
 

O yea what about my 4 wifes ? Maybe i dont want to have kids but i want 4 wifes man thats why i need 4 bedroom villa.
No Capt getting villa and F/O 3 bedroom apartment why not ?
In any country F/o cant aford more then 3 bedroom apartment with his income and 3 bedroom for couple with 2 kids is ok arent we majority lived back home in smaller or same apartments.
In pilots job beeing single or married is variable we all change this situation few times that means every time i devorce i go to small box and then i bring new wife and make kid move to villa ? 80 % pilots are in 2nd merrige.

I can see where you are coming from mate...

So far the "UNITED" part in your nickname.

Why is it than that in EK, until 6 months ago, an FO without kids got an apartment and an FO with kids got a villa. Ok, this villa was smaller than a villa for a skipper with kids, but it still was a villa!

All that people are saying here is that it is absolutely obscene and selfish that we have captains, who are single, living in a 4 bedroom villa just because they sit on the left seat in the pointy tube! BS!
And on top of it they rent out 3 rooms to other pilots for about 5000QAR/room. Great, him and his buddies make lots of money. But at the same time next door is an FO living in a 3 bedroom app with 4 kids!

So far for solidarity, social feeling and fairness!

Maybe you are one of the lost souls who feel they are too good to live in an appartement because of some sort of a position you most probably achieved by mere luck?
4 chips on your shoulder and scrambled eggs on your hat do not give you the right to boast an unlimited ego my friend!
And your remark about FOs not being able to afford a villa....CRAP! The difference in housing allowance is 2000QAR! That's how much more value the company gives to a skipper compared to the CM2 in terms of housing. That's exactly what I pay my maid per month! Think about that next time you think you are the world's best aviator!
:ugh:


By the way UNITEDbro, how did the RELTA test go? :ugh:

LOL:O

here we go, yet another PPrune cat fight:ouch:... gather round everyone:D.


Poisoned by compromise
Krunch

Housing drama
 

The whole new housing issue came up because QR doesnt want to pay the price that Ain Khaled gate requires for thiers new villas in phase two. So thier option is put them in the 3 bedroom till the villas already leased open up based on attrition. The 3 bedrooms flats cost 9500QR so they pocket the other 2500.

Fubaliera, are these 3 BR apartments fully furnished or semi furnished?

Would appreciate any information. PM me if you like

thanks

DU
 

Check your PM and email me.

EK
 

EK ? Is that airline which is run by BRitish and Australians ? Or is the airline which just sinking and people are on unpayed leave ?
What about option which many Capt did ? Leave familly in some better country ( home) . At home most of Capt still have loans for house or renting the place . In Doha they save some money and send it home to pay same housing ? It is youre option to bring familly or leave it at home.
You want to have both ? pay . If you want to save sufffer ! choice
If you start to reduce benifits for single pilots you will have resignations and you will have people getting fake wedding certificate and getting what they want .

QR
 

Lets start with this single /married :
Lets put all married pilots on A320 since A320 roster dont have many overnights and they want to be at home most of time with there familly.
Lets increase salary of single pilots : as single pilot has more time to operate on days off and can work more, and single pilot when he has leave use only one anual ticket or ID90 while married with familly sometimes 4 tickets ( woops there Rosmery can save money for airline)
Single pilot has only one alianz card marriied sometimes 4-6 (woops another saving for Rosmery)
Single pilot can operate all the time like a mashine while married must see wife and kids and if he dont he will cry and say he is not happy with roster should they hire only single pilots ?
Its all a joke what i say but dont play with single and married as ailrine might see what is more cheap for them .
Close youre mouth when you see next house single pilot saving money for hime self it is his buisness .

United
 

What the hell are you talking about? Such gibberish indicates the level ...... No wonder we don't get a pay rise! :hmm: And before you rant about the 'BRitish' and the Australians, check who is in charge of the lot of them.

Pupy???? Judging by the lack of English comprehension and execution, no wonder this Airline is going to the dogs.

QR UNITED: everybody got his own problem, in UAE it's a "sinking" airline, in Qatar it's a sinking airport..:ooh:(this cost another 1BILLION U$ to qatar airways just to build up (another temporary) terminal on the east apron to cope with this new delay.
(And let's be careful about propaganda...Except from the CEO, nobody knowns today the economic situation of Qatar Airways.....).

United and pupy,


are you brothers? Lovers?

What a ****** up mentality boys. Honestly! Continue like this and I will start to support the company with their crazy housing policy.

I guess one can not hide his background....
:ugh:

And pupyboy, you can bet your ass on it that next time I will see someone making a business on the back of all others (e.g pilots) I will NOT shut my mouth anymore! As it is NOT HIS own business, it affects us all! Do you think the company does not know about this? Do you think they do not see it as an abuse of a privilege given to someone?

You want to have a business, fine, go and have one out of my line of sight! But I will not allow your dodgy business to jeopardise my well-being and my chance on descent accommodation!

You selfish B******D:yuk:

Come ST, dont bother with the company idiots. Back to earth boys, its seems the only solution that i see the company doing is going back to offering housing allowance. At Qr rate of growth somethings gotta give.
If they had any brains they would increase the allowance at least to the level of the current matket rates(decent stuff) and downsize on the huge housing department and all its managers.