I think every case and country is different.
As an American married to a Turkish one divorced in Turkey, working in the UAE.
Fought for 5 years in the upper courts for a house I paid cash for.
Finally just gave her the house in the courts.
My advise to you is get out and look at life differently from this point forward.
Go to BKK or MNL lots of good quality ones there.
I did this and am quite content now.
Some how the western ones will drag you down to there trailer park levels.
Courts and companies in the UAE wont even listen to these western ones.
I get coffee every morning,,massages at night,,and never any complaints like i experienced from the american or middle east ones.
Go Asian,,the only way!

if you have divorced and have kids make sure you have the ex sign a consent form for you to take them traveling or she (ex) can de-facto file for abduction which may lead to some very unpleasant things.

same way as both parents need to sign on the passport application form.

3 simple little rules
 

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned !

To the men: Protect yourself x 2. If you're only thinking with your dick, protect it. If that is ALL your thinking with, then you should of protected your finances first.

To the wives: Handle your business at home girls ! If he wants a W***e, put on your Eff me stilettos and saddle up. Pilots are easy to please. Feed em, F**k em and let em go FLY.


To the X wives: Don't mistake Alimony for Salary. Because you're no longer earning it.

SPW, that´s a good one, me liking verrrry much! Says it all! :ok:

QF 22,

Pretty much spot on, CSA are the most vindictive government department I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. The bi*tches can get anything and everything in Oz law, make sure you get an agreement to paying for the kids drawn up, its pretty straight forward but the minute CSA gets involved your doomed till they turn 18 or longer if they go to higher education.

Big advice to any one who is contemplating marrying one..... don't!

Kinda off subject.....but if you get your GF cabin crew girlfriend in the family way....is there any way out except marriage? Is this the ultimate f***up? Don't have too much fun on those layovers.....double up on the raincoats!!

Bad boy Whine!
 

If you have her living here, you won't get to marry her. single woman+ deliver baby in UAE = JAIL

Menegoc. What a sh*&ty way to post. Regardless of your personal situation, to come on and imply on a forum that you are not paying for your kids represents a true scumbag. I don't care what happened. If they are your kids, they deserve better than "anybody know what happen if you don't pay the full child support amount?"

"What if you don't pay full child support" or whatever crap you are spilling. Don't be so naive to post a stupid post like that and not expect back fall. You live on Raman noodles and take care of your kids, regardless of what happened. I don't know what you are or who you are, but anyone who suggests not taking care of their kids isn't much of a man, regardless of whether you were treated fairly or not. Do not take out a maritial problem on your children.

SPW--

Nope....just trying to connect the dots....

A past acquaintance of mine posted wed pics with a mention of a new baby--almost a confirmation that she was knocked up on their wedding day. Just guessing that he got in big trouble real fast and had to make a quick move or end up in jail himself.....poor guy, all over a night's fun! What a nightmare! Hope it works out for him! All the best!

CAYNINE
 

Even with a CSA agreement your still not safe.
A mate of mine had a child support agreement with his ex.
He flew into Oz for a few days between contracts.
He was at home packing his bags to go to the airport when there was a knock at the door.
His ex found out he was in town and she went to the CSA for more money.
He was served with a summons and couldnt leave Oz until it was all sorted.
Missed his new contact, was out of a job for months and nearly went bankrupt!
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you !
As another poster said, steer clear of white trash.
Go Asian but dont ever get married again !

Earl you are so right!

Marriage or Mirage?
 

:ok:It's a truly conceptual situation. Hard to define with today's relationships. Most Marriages are based on an Alpha male and a "good little" wife. It worked out well until the "empty-kitchen " syndrome occurred.

With that evolvement, the basic concept of a marriage has erroded into the modern day process of "I'm fat and ugly, my man is cheating on me and Opra says I'm using a facilator to run my life".

Marriage nowdays is a failed concept because many of the gals want to blame someone for their misfortunes or they are "over-acheivers" and a -"good enough" man doesn't exist.

So why would you stick your nose in the mess to start with....Have a relationship, enjoy your times together and then move on. Marriage is an institution of the past.

You want a lasting relationship, great, have one. But don't think the concept of marriage will solidify it. If it fly's, floats, or makes little "willy" happy...then rent it.:ok:

Dear Fred Garvin MP I think you really need to look for some counseling, it is very clear your frustration, for what I don't know

I hope You will get better if you follow my advice

Cheers

Dogged
 

A lot of views & a fair number of posts but I wonder if you got the advice you sought. Legal views are well intended but not always correct. Stacks of humour too & I hope you gained some comfort. It is all very unpleasant. A colleague of mine faced same deal as you. While in the Middle East, he was chased by wifey's aggressive, Lesbian, cheroot smoking Lawyer . My mate fully supported what was a split marriage for some ten years previous & lived, pretty rough while sending back to the UK just about everything he earned so as to ease the pain, mainly for the kids. But, he was still hounded for the last drop when it all went Legal. Very lucky break for him was when he discovered that throughout the years of solid support, she was claiming DSS support too, including mortgage payments. GOTCHA. When HE threatened Court action, they dropped most things but he still settled, out of court & lost the house plus contents. In return, they agreed not to pursue him any more & he saved, ( a spectacular move) any future claims partcilarly disregarding his pension. It still took him just over ten years further to place himself somewhere half decent. The UK Courts, certainly, favour wives & the over generosity awarded to these leeches has resulted in this gravey train for many. A blinding indictment to all those working in the Courts from the Judges down. Oh and, finally, a big , husky, Afro American mate of mine just told me he NEVER wears a condom; "Nah Man, if I do, I don't feel nuthin".......I said, "try half your salary; you'll feel that !".

I totally agree with Fred. :D Why would he need counseling?

Wife Magnets?
 

Hey guys, just a little tip here; your ego's are getting in the way of your own happiness. So your marriage failed, okay, did you learn anything from that experience? Have you looked yourself in the mirror and asked the tough questions;

- What role did I play in the success or failure of our marriage?

- Did I listen more than I spoke?

- Am I giver or a taker?

I'm guessing the bitter among you not only haven't explored these issues, but you're now sitting there saying; "stupid bitch, who's she think she is?"

Who I am is a pilot's wife. I'm an American. Not an Asian, an American. I love my husband, I put his happiness above my own. I care about his happiness, he cares about mine. We work at our marriage. Yep, there it is ... marriage is work. Nothing good comes easily, you have to work at it. Careers, hobbies, and marriages too. And we do work at ours, just like we work at our careers. We talk things over, we sometimes negotiate our personal priorities and needs, and we each give in for the other sometimes. We make our marriage the priority before everything else and it pays off BIG TIME.

Get over the bitterness and get your ego out of the game. You're missing out on so much. Let the anger and pain go and move on. There really ARE good women out there (lots right here in California!!), not only in Asia!

Its all alot simpler when you have an Asian wife. :)

Aero Angel,
you talk easily on your high horse. We are not talking about marriage, we are talking about failed marriages, no matter whose fault it was (and yes, it does take TWO to Tango, I know!). Nobody here says it wasn´t his fault. But what is common here is that once it´s over, it´s time for sucking the life out of the ex-husband. Again, no matter why. My vicious, lifesucking b:mad:tch of ex is trying to destroy me since nearly 10 years . She sent letters to EK trying them to fire me, she got me arrested upon arrival in Europe and she is trying to get the last bloody cent from me. All in the name of revenge. So much for the defenses of the poor, abandoned wifes. Thanks god EK is great when it comes to that and they support me (and other poor losers like me) as good as they can. And I think this was the original question. Yes. EK supports you and NO, the ex cannot get hold of you here in DXB. She can, however, get you by the b:eek:lls as soon as you enter home turf. And funny enough, most of them wouldn´t care if you lost your job over this (together with your salary and ultimately their own alimony) as long as they can take you down.

Uuuuh, rant over, feeling so much better! Now getting back to my much younger girlfriend which happens to be NO white trash ;) Going the coloured route is so much better!:ok::ok:

I'm done with the institution of marriage 7 years ago. Forever.

Since then, I've been a happy camper with a younger Asian g/f who is a trolley dolly and understands the airline world. We enjoy the DINK lifestyle: Double Income No Kids. :ok:

Asian is the way to go. Once you experience it, it's hard to go back.

Food for thought....
 

First of all, AeroAngel is NOT a pseudo name for me. I wouldn't post so much crap. But my ISP address is San Francisco lol. Only so me and the hubby can visit all the porn sites and use our Apple TV and Netflix thru a VPN.

This thread began by a pilot needing advice regarding an Ex Wife. What happened during the marriage, is not relevant. It didn't work out. Bottom line.

Here are the facts.

1. If you have children. PAY YOUR DAMN CHILD SUPPORT ! I got news for ya.. the 25 to 30 % you pay, does NOT cover even 20% of what it takes to raise a child(ren). Please don't assume that CS covers birthday gifts, school outings, new clothes for school etc.

2. Aero, that is great that your marriage works. But honey, I'm a pilot's wife too and its no picnic. And there are no guarantees in life. How many of their wives said the same thing? They may have said the same thing you just said until.. ( you get the drift). Your perception of your marriage is yours, your husband will probably tell it much differently when in the cockpit or over a few beers on a layover with the guys. And Pprune is very much the same. Boys talking boy stuff. I can assure you, some of the same guys saying "I'm single, I'm loving it and beat their chest and swing from a tree as they say it don't prefer it. Let them come home to an empty house, hang out with their friends who have a lovely wife, great kids, the biggest bbq grill on the block and the family dog. It's not that great either. Especially 90 hours a month. There are the man whores though, but they usually code ( full arrest aka heart attack) in flight, leaving open the next upgrade :) ( nevermind that part, what a way to die!!!!).

3. Gentlemen, there are pros and cons to dating women from any country. If you think its great having an Asian wife because she's so " easy" and not westernized? Don't confuse a successful marriage to someone so submissive. You're not there when she cries to her family and friends that her needs are not met. They aren't all about having a western husband who makes alot of money. You honestly think they wanna massage you every freaking night ? Nope. They don't. They do it out of fear they will be sent back to their country and back to the **** hole 3rd world environment you pulled them from. Why else do you think they are with you? You honestly think the 20 to 40 year age difference is a turn on? Seriously? The massage you get, is so that you will 1. fall asleep and she can go back to talking to her family back home or 2. Get you worked up so much, that when sex begins.. BANG! 5 minutes later... she's .. yep you guessed it back on the phone with her family where she wants to be. I have many many many asian friends who are wives and gf's of pilots and 99% of the time, they talk more crap behind your back that last longer than the long haul flight from DXB to IAH, SFO, LAX etc.

** please not though, NOT ALL ASIAN WOMEN FEEL THAT WAY and NOT ALL PILOTS FEEL THAT WAY. I've met a few pilots who are married to asian women and the wives are happy. And the husbands treat them like WIVES and the marriages work because they are WIVES, not Asian WIVES !

4. Get back to letting us wives know how to squeeze you dry if we decide to leave :) I never learned so much. J/K ! If my marriage goes sour.. it won't end in divorce I can tell you that :) " it's cheaper to keep her" says him. " Good morning darling! try this new coffee creamer, taste just like almonds :) Says me, the medical professional :)

Some of us are in the middle east BECAUSE we pay our child support. 33% of your GROSS income {the oz 'apportionment'} leaves you living like a pauper (the 1-bdr-flat-dads)- 1/3 for tax, 1/3 for CS, and eek out an existence on the rest.

Couldn't agree more varigflier- have gone asian and would NEVER go back. Where did we go so wrong in the west?

Roll on the 18th birthdays.

Some sad middle-aged balding men here on this forum who WON'T GET ANYTHING BUT ASIAN:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

For f*cks sake, what attracted you to your original wife in the first place? Was it 'cos she was YELLOw?

Compliant?


Stupid???

I doubt the above - but it's what you're going for now:hmm::hmm::hmm:

That's entirely true. WK. However, after finding my good-looking, intelligent, WHITE wife turned out to be a self-obsessed/interested frump expecting a totally compliant husband/lifestyle facilitator...I decided to be happy. Wouldn't expect you to understand. But I CERTAINLY don't want to hook up with yet another bitter, middle-aged frump seeking a pay check- which is what I am able to attract in 'white society' (as you correctly surmise). I am SO much happier now.
I expect you think you are insulting me? How many beautiful, young, intelligent white girls do you attract? Given the choice, what would you choose? The sanctimonious often haven't found themselves in the situation they pontificate on.

BTW; you do yourself a disservice by characterising asian women as stupid.

Entirely your own fault Ferris, you followed your dick and got married before you had taken the trouble to properly know your wife, no one else to blame but yourself, impetuous youth!

A fairy tale I heard recently...
 

Once upon a time, a Prince asked a beautiful Princess "Will you marry me?" The
Princess said "NO." And the Prince lived happily ever after

... and rode motorcycles and ****** skinny big titted broads and hunted and raced cars
and went to naked bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey, beer
and Captain Morgan and never heard bitching and never paid child support or
alimony and ****** cheerleaders and kept his house and guns and never got
cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he
was ****in cool as hell and had tons of money in the bank and left the
toilet seat up... The end.

White Knight . . .
 

Hey, that's ME. (But I'm not bald yet).

It's because I want YOUTH, and I can't get it in USA, Europe, Australia...where one would have to be a millionaire to hook up with a g/f who is 22 years younger. Most Asian ladies have no problem with such an age gap; and in general, they are not high-maintenance, back-talking b!tches. :eek:

What the expat life taught me
 

What the expat life taught me: find a good woman in a 3rd world **** hole, take her home and give her everything she ever wanted including love.... affection and some play money. Treat her well, let her have your children - give the children the best life they could ever have and reciprocate the love and affection to the entire family. You will have a family unit that is strong and enduring... stay away from western women who are still single or divorced and older than 25......
6to8

Are you serious???

A b:mad: is a b:mad: no matter where she's from...!

(Same goes for the men too)

You are 100% right... YOU women from "western modern world" you don't know how to handle a man...the only thing that's matter for you is MONEY... regarding what your ex-husband did for YOU in the pass...:yuk:you can go to hell I am more happy now, you don't suck my life and money any more...a good prostitute is chipper

He was at home packing his bags to go to the airport when there was a knock at the door.
His ex found out he was in town and she went to the CSA for more money.
He was served with a summons and couldnt leave Oz until it was all sorted.
Missed his new contact, was out of a job for months and nearly went bankrupt!


QF22 a 5.56 is shipper and faster:)

400tons

Only if you plan on staying in the sandpit....bring her back to the states & she'll become Western real fast!

Whatever your preference in women is I wish you luck. But one thing with this thread strikes me as illogical.

You say that you don't want white women "only looking for money". So, what do you think the 25 year Asian girl is seeing in a 50 year old man? The love of her life?

I can recommend a book called "Private dancer".

I wonder what Rupert Murdoch's view would be on this subject?:ouch:

What always amazes me is just how vindictive and cruel the ex-wives are, even if they are the one's who initiated the split. Relationships can go wrong for many reasons, but as to why :rolleyes: the fairer sex can't seem to leave it at that is a mystery to me. If there are kids involved, then paying your share is the decent thing to do, even if the ex is using them as a weapon against you (it's a sign of the character).

Choosing well in the beginning and getting to know your partner before committing is the way to go, yet 1 in 3 marriages/partnerships goes to the hills so something is going wrong. Asian women do have more of a reverential regard towards men starting within their home/family and culture and an older/wiser partner is seen as a bonus due to security and stability. I don't think, in general, that women can deal well with partners that don't come home each day and within the pilot community that is the nature of the beast.....

totally agree with 400tons easter women knows how to handle their western men:

Friend 1: Found floating in a BKK klong after his wife hired a hit man. Ex Bahrain resident. She was later caught when trying to use a dead man's visa card.

Friend 2: Same as in 1 but in Indonesia.

Friend 3: Committed "suicide??" after his russian wife milked him dry (money)

Friend 4: 60% on the same path as 1. In BKK with his money dwindling fast, which seems like an impossible thing but nevertheless.

Delirious
 

Have None of you Guys watched Eddie Murphy Delirious/RAW >?


Less

you're missing the point
 

What I was trying to say is that maybe instead of whining about how bitchy and vindictive "white" western women are, maybe you should be asking yourself what happened to the nice woman you married. If you treat a lady like a lady she'll usually behave like a lady. If you treat her like a servant, doormat, or hole in the mattress... she will eventually turn into a bitch and make you pay for it. It's actually really simple; it's about respect and fairness. But too many men, Western, European, Asian, want their cake and a tasty little cupcake on the side as well. Call it carelessness, absent minded, call it bored ... but eventually enough isn't enough anymore and their eyes start to wander. A wife represents responsibility and duty, but the cupcake represents freedom and fun.

What exactly surprises you about a wife (Western or otherwise) turning into robo-bitch when she feels she's been taken for granted or played for a fool? If the stiletto was on the other foot, you'd do the same.

And just as a hooker is only with you because of your wallet, what on earth makes you think an Asian woman is with you for your looks, your sense of humor or your prowess in bed? She's with you because you're her ticket out of the hell hole she's living in. She's with you because you're a meal ticket. She's smiling and massaging you to get it over with so you'll buy her pretty things and take her nice places, things she'll never have in that hell hole she came from.

Go ahead and fool yourself into thinking Western women are all money-grabbing bitches. Lull yourself to sleep tonight believing Asian women are all about making you happy. You can fool yourself, but you can't fool the world ... not forever.

We make our own heaven and hell ... ALL OF US ... and we reap what we sow. If you want a good marriage, work at it. Play nice, play fair, be honest, be trustworthy, be loving. A wife isn't a doormat, or servant. Don't treat her like one. Treat her like a Goddess and she'll make you her GOD. And after all, isn't that who you think you are anyway?

More
 

The age old aviation saying rings very true...

If it flies, floats or f#ck's, it's cheaper to rent....:D:D

Do not thrust anybody at EK
 

You cannot thrust EK for anything, they even sent my medical records to the divorce lawyer of my wife, emptied all my accounts and gave her a 2 year sponsorship with a Royal stamp.

It's called pussy power and every Macho in the EK management folds for it in a split second.