Reduced Annual Leave for GF pilots
 

There is a strong rumour that HR is planning to gradually reduce leave days from 52 to 42 days. So as a first installment, 2 leave slots of 2009 have already been reduced to 25 days each.
I think its about time to teach this HR COO a lesson, so this is our moral duty to go sick for the number of days we loose.

We have a contract and "IF" they try to do so they need to change it!!!

Not a rumour!!
 

Last Good thing in GF
 

oh boy, here goes the last remaining good thing in Gulf Air.

first CCQ then dual seat ops and now this.

Thats the ONLY diff between GF and the rest. Change my leave and Im gone!!!

Oh Ya. This is true, and has been actioned quitely. As said eralier, Training captains slots are based on 25 days only.... Congratulations Gulf Air new HR :D

About the contract...

I have tried to get an updated copy of the contract for loan and banking reasons, also to have our new terms and conditions in writing.

I was refused by more than one person, and went high in the chain. No valid answers given. I was told the old contract was sufficient. Huh??

Seems to be another GF tactic of keeping the information away from the drones.

If anyone has had luck getting a new contract please post here.

Cheers

For info
 

Hi all,
For info

to be honest 10 days is also enough.
I think I will send them this idea as one of the MY IDEA bullS***.


Ahh I am tired.
Oops ROSTER CHANGES AGAIN.

there are two things that irk me the most with gf and in fact, any company.

1. LYING
2. UNDERHANDED TACTICS

cam32 may have a point regarding the non-disclosure of contracts with the new terms and conditions.
WHEN gf decides to reduce annual leave and you argue that it's against your contract, they will gladly agree......so long as you accept the old contracts remuneration and duty awards!!!

This is indeed a disturbing development.
I wonder what the latest recruits have on their contracts. Any new GF pilots recruits care to shed some light on your terms and conditions?

Zero CRM, the "new" head of planning and rostering A.A., said recently that HE is going to teach Gulf Air pilots a lesson...
Well, if this is the first one, not many colleagues are willing to wait for lesson number 2, me included. It is the Local pilots' call this time not the expats', me thinks. They are the only ones who have the power to change anything. As for us others, they (GF HR), are probably hinting at where the door is in a "nice" way, before it gets ugly and being de-facto shown the door if we are unhappy about the changes !
Time for some CV dusting...again !?

ah crap, better update my log book again :(.

Does anybody know what the labour law says on the matter? The 12 days as far as I remember were a requirement to replace public holidays....interesting to find out.
Better go and start polishing up the old CV I guess...will they never learn?

Chao

Dear Mr. Emirates,

I understand that you are looking for experienced type rated pilots for.......I also understand that your pilots average 10-13 days off per month...

Some leave slots are 24 days long!!
50 upgrades a year an 200 pilots by the end of next year? he he!!!!!

Will they NEED to out-source training with those figures. Sounds like a stretch.

been here and been positive for a while. this is my limit!!!! crappy rosters, changing rosters and now this. what the F88k do they think we are? how can our managment allow this to happen? this obviously shows us how our managment in operations has absolutely zero ability to stand up and actually do the right thing for us. makes me laugh not even 1 year ago there was CC telling us how things are gonna be so much better blah blah blah. a bunch of BS just like the senior boys said. well i hope they realize this is exactly how they got themselves in this position in the first place. umm i think that sick call will come in handy

I think every one of those 50 days of leave is needed to recoup properly.

Well, they finally are doing it. N.S. & A.A. have been trying to do this for sometime now(as well as trying to find a way to steal any leave days you have in the bank-so keep on eye on your leave balance). N.S. never did give a s*** & even less so now that he's leaving shortly. Shame he can't leave sooner!
As far as I am concerned I WILL be going sick an extra 10 days per year so sorry guys ahead on time if you happen to be called out last minute for 1 of my blocks.
It has always been the same here. The "managers" upstairs never realize what there doing until we take drastic action.

So who will be collecting the BD50,000 check for this great idea? No doubt some useless-braindead-waste-of-space-sack-of-crap sitting doing nothing in HQ.

That is what it says somewhere as nobody has picked up on it yet. This is the reason, and the only reason why RH failed to implement a reduced leave policy when he was here. I understand he is doing it in Etihad as we speak though. :rolleyes:
However, I would not be surprised to see the travel days disappear, but hey, we have just gained 6 or so through the FTLs anyway.

Good luck all.

mythical 6 days for sure. new FTL allow rostering to use u at anytime on a stby day as it can be changed as long as u get your min rest. basically GF is showing us how appreciative they are that we all did not jump ship on our binds and showed our resilience to stick through the hard times. makes me laugh how simple mined this guy in HR is over 2 travel days piss everyone off and make everyone mad???? no sense at all. well i never thought i would say this but SICK just like the local boys told us long ago!!!!

Guys i think that all of us agree that gulf air have crossed a line they should not have, first it was there dodgy FTL and now this,when they changed the FTL people kept quite and kept on flying on their days off which i completely don't understand, it is time gentlemen to take matters into our own hands and show these misguided souls our true worth........ever pilot should stop helping out with rostering and stop flying on their days off or even worst their leave,or otherwise it might get even worst,if we keep having people covering blocks for them there is no reason for these so called managers to worry ,we need to set aside whatever differences we have and stand together against these people, that is the only way we can stop this madness....please stop flying on your days off and leave and i assure you you will see a change

hell, why wait for days off or leave to not fly? just don't fly, period. use up all your sick leave. that should surely leave them in a rut!

Che Guevara!!

We didn't gain 6 days off by the new FTL. With the old FTL a day off was a 36 hours long; however, with the new FTL a single day off is 34 hours; therefore, with a simple calculation:
8 (days off) X 12 (months) X 36 = 3456 hours
8 (days off) X 13 (rosters) X 34 = 3536 hours
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Difference is: 80 hours

Which are 2 days off (each 34 hrs long) and 12 hours; So by reducing 2 days from the leave bank, you can call it a gain of 12 hours!!!

Congratulations.....

rgrds

Unfortunately there has not been any "fficial" release from the apparatchik..before getting our panties all in a knot, lets see what the "official" explanation is, then take it from there..

Maybe it will be 'offical' next month when the leave bids/slots are published.

It is official and published in the HR manual (Personal Manual) Issue no. 22 Section 4. And the Training Captains got their leave slots published with 25 days each already... Waiki Waiki

Pure genius Mow, congratulations!
One small question comes to mind though, how long is a leave day in hours?
At the end of the day we have not lost anything, in fact we have gained so it's a non event.

Chao

you are sadly mistaken bro because we have lost and i'm afraid that we will start losing more especially when our leave slots get cut to 42 days :ugh:

... and the next will be DEC!

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And after that the sky will fall in and then after that the rivers will run dry and then after that the pope will become CEO.So much to worry about and so little time.

It's amazing that people would fly on their days off. Your only feeding the notion to management, that pilots will fly for food.

On a lighter note, where might one find the gouge for the GF interview process?

We should start joining maasalama list, I will start.

Some of us fly on our day off if it's a block that suits us..and we get paid ok for it, and get the day returned...now back to your piss-match with the rusties there fellow I personally wouldnt pay a nickle to that "union" that destroyed America West:ok:

I am confused here , can someone pls tell me are the leave days reduced to 50 days ( 2* 25 days leave slot ) or down to 42 days ??? :hmm:

"HR is planning to GRADUALLY reduce leave days"
 

read the 1st post,

50 days in 2009, 42 days in 2010.

50 days plus 2 days travel is what's on the old contracts.

which means:

you can have your 50 days as per the contract, but you gotta get paid what's on the old contract as well.

which is why:

we never got new contracts when the new package was released!!
they allowed themselves a proviso to enable them to change the leave conditions as they saw fit!!

which means:

a good way to find out if leave has changed is to ask new pilots what their leave entitlements are.

could someone please do that?

Bahrain labour law states that an employer cannot unilaterally reduce any benfits that have been inherited by the employee. So it looks like GF are in breach of it if they try and go ahead with it.

it is straight forward. they have changed the leave slots. 2 at 25 days you can go and ask rostering they will elt u know. we have to stop talking and start acting. everyone has to complain officailly. send letters go in person and start complaining in a professional manner. on top of that let them know by not doing any favors ie. off days and block changes. also start to use a sick day when you really dont feel well....they moight realize all this trouble is not worth it. talk is cheap we have to act!!!!!