myradios, seriously Dig, take a look at what you've just written. Take a moment to gestate it and then (God, I hope you'll be able to) answer your own question.

Can I posit this question to you in the hope it might clarify my point?

- "If I'm hoping to get a seat with a subload ticket on a heavily booked flight, will someone ariving at the staff travel desk well after me, but with a higher priority ticket, lessen my chances of getting on the flight?"

EK
 

Accelreration command criteria is not published because the company does not want to publish it because then they can be held accountable. Sometime ago they totally disregrarded their own published criteria and some 22 pilots with previous command time from some really respected airlines from around the world (3rd) jumped pilots waiting over three years for upgrade.
Again EK does what is wants to do and has no respect for the pilot group. Buyer beware

I'm not supporting the program, just asking how much of an effect it has on upgrades- one place a month, ten??

MyRadios,
It is probably better to put it in terms of 'time' delay. Hazarding a guess here, I would estimate the DEC policy has resulted in an average of 3-6 month delay for waiting F/O's over the last 5 years.
Feel free to correct me on that one. It is just a guess partly because the DEC policy is such a tightly guarded secret around here, for obvious reasons.

mensaboy

Thanks, that's the answer I was after.....

Accelerated commands are stopped, that's the answer.

Don't you mean commands have stopped period?

So accelerated command HAS stopped
DEC has stopped
Command Courses have st
Aircrafts are not comming or even going back (A380)
A f/o joining now will wait 4/6 years to command, at least

My index is now bending to the "NO JOIN" scale.
Tks guy for all the infos.

Oh what twaddle!

Command courses are still on, I have a friend on a A330 course right now.

The A380 is not going back, it is back on the schedule from Friday.

The B777s that are delayed will be delivered as soon as the galleys are manufactured and installed. There are some at the factory waiting for the galleys only, which will not be affected by the Boeing strike, when the galleys are ready.

I don't know about the Accelerated Command, but there are stacks of guys with 3 years service, and stacks of guys suitable for accelerated command. Which way the managers will jump is anyones guess.

Considering the state of the industry at the moment, EK is one of the brighter places to be.

Tears for Fears
 

The DEC program has not been stopped, it is ongoing with new joiners at this very moment (777 DEC's).

5-6 years to command for new joiners is about right....if lucky

Snorki

For those interested, 16 DEC's were hired this calendar year so far. This is out of a total recruitment of just over 300. So about 5% joining are DEC's.
Accelerated program is well and truly alive. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending how you look at it), as someone mentioned, there are tons of guys above the 3 year mark or coming up to it over the coming months so strict seniority should prevail on the respective fleets. The 777 guys are now planned to start their upgrade at around 3 years 2 months.This time frame will increase I'm sure in the coming months/year. The Bus guys are still significantly behind in the 'time to upgrade' department with guys currently upgrading around the 4 year 3 month mark.This should improve in the coming year though.
I have to agree though however that a new joiner today will be looking at over 4 years to command. Still good i would say in the grand scheme of things.

Green..out :8

I'm sure theres many legends in the right seat that deserve a command now.....................:E

Greensky,

Your numbers are correct.
One correction though : upgrade time is now 3 years and 5 months. It will increase as we write. At the same time they are delaying upgrades, DECs get in...
Shows you how good they are at obeying their own rules. At the same time they tollerate NO deviation from us. Training not to blame, HR not to blame. I guess it must be our dear English friend from BA....

They don't deserve a command, nobody does, but they do deserve the chance of a command course to demonstrate that they are ready for and capable of having a command.

it was said tongue in cheek Geordie..lighten up.

Is Emirates presently using (or intend using in the future given the aircraft on order) the accelerated command programme for upgrading high time F/O's to Captains?

Thanks

In addition to what have been mentioned earlier in this thread a DEC needs at least 1500 hours command on 777 or 330/340. Any one has any idea how they have been able to find 16 guys with these qualifications that are ready to move to the desert? They must have had a decent position in another airline to accumulate the experience so it's a bit strange. Unless it is the guys from SQ that didn't get their contract renewed last year...

Someone's flown with any of them or is it just a rumour?

Patty according to the seniority list the most junior capt here was hired in Nov 08. This could of been a DEC or a fast track but unless the 16 you talk of haven't joined us yet, all new hires since Nov 08 have been F\O's

IH,

So is fastrack still being used?

Thanks

At this point, no.