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longreach 13th Nov 2007 10:45

Maybe FADAC isn't too far from the truth:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0071113?rpc=44

Looking at replacing their entire fleet of 35 aircraft with a decision in a few weeks. Looks like a Boeing victory to me, otherwise it would be being splashed all over the Air(bus) Show.

boiler 13th Nov 2007 11:00


DUBAI, Nov 13 (Reuters) - Bahrain-based Gulf Air [GULF.UL] is in talks with U.S. planemaker Boeing Co (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and European rival Airbus to renew its entire fleet of the 35 aircraft, the airline's chairman said on Tuesday.

Gulf Air will choose between the manufacturers in a "few weeks", Mahmoud al-Kooheji told reporters.

The airline is looking to sell shares to the public as early as next year and could consider selling a stake to other airlines or investors, Bjorn Naf, the airline's acting president said. (Reporting by John Irish: editing by Dayan Candappa)
So whatever happened to his own statements a few months back about making a big announcement in the Dubai Airshow???

GF has been talking to Airbus and Bowing for years, but this just shows you nothing has changed and the "Bored" can't make a decision.

Ray Darr 13th Nov 2007 12:42


2 x Leased B-738's
ONE of the said Baby Boeings that GF has LEASED (yet it seems to be the flavour of the week to say they are NEW GF aircraft, but that's what the media specialize in...making their own take on things!) looked a bit tattered in DXB yesterday. We were in the vicinity of the 'port, and the kids pointed out that half of the budgie flew the coop - it was missing from that big tall vertical part of the backside of the plane!

...Anyone seen a big-a$$ budgie somewhere between that little Island in the Sea that the Baby Boeing is calling home for now, and this "magic" wonderland called DooBAee?

:sad:

Cheers,
R.D.

tbaylx 13th Nov 2007 12:48

Gulf Air has been announcing for years now that it will buy new aircraft. Hopefully it eventually will, it needs them, and the pilots have been waiting some time for some good news.

I wouldn't hold my breath in hearing anything in "the next few weeks" as the chairman put it..i think their definition of a few weeks is somewhat different than the rest of the world's. Eventually they'll be forced to do it by the simple fact of the ones they have spending more time on the ground being fixed than flying. It's going to take alot of debate and making sure the right people in Bahrain get a piece of the action...the more things change the more they remain the same.

Best of luck to all the crew at GF.

brassplate 13th Nov 2007 13:16

funny how reuters published this before the gdn. shows how unreliable, ass-kissing and white-washing the gdn really is to issues which may be detrimental to the image of the island.
gf should learn the art of downplaying important developmental issues and just produce the goods, rather than having to get everyones hopes high only to break promises and eating their own words.
the board should all check their watches because they've made this grandiose announcement (and others) several times starting some years ago with zip to show for except a couple of leased 738s which incidently is only taking work away from gf pilots and costing the company unnecessarily.

InTrGYYZ 13th Nov 2007 13:24

I agree wit Brassplate. lets get some of our own birds. Come on GF.. We are all waiting anxiously for the good news...yalla yalla! :E

gulfboy 13th Nov 2007 13:27

"Six months ago we stood at the edge of an abyss.
Tomorrow we will take a giant step forward."

brassplate 13th Nov 2007 13:28

seeing is believeing, habibi.

InTrGYYZ 13th Nov 2007 13:38

"In three to four months we will be fully staffed, and I’m absolutely confident in this airline," Al Kooheji said. "We’ve been the airline of choice for the region and I’m sure we can build on that."

can someone fire this dude plz!

Warbirds 13th Nov 2007 21:18

Hey FADAC, what do you say now? Here is a start, try Inshallah! If that fails call IB57 he has an answer!:yuk:

Panama Jack 14th Nov 2007 04:01

With respects to the Reuters news article, I am wondering what attraction shares in a money-losing, unstable (with regards to strategy), government-controlled airline would have to an investor? I am reminded of the naive gold rush-like IPO's in Saudi Arabia a few years ago.

jackbauer 14th Nov 2007 04:44

The writing is on the wall in six foot letters guys. RUN AWAY FAST. The company is run by amateurs with no plan and a distinct skill for not telling the truth. The money means nothing if there is a monkey in charge of the operation. Does anyone really believe that this Naf guy will still be here in 6 months time? Run I tell you, run now!!!!!:eek:

Gulf Air will choose between the manufacturers in a "few weeks", Kooheji said, adding that the firm was considering Islamic finance, including Islamic bonds, to pay for the new aircraft.
That should really please the leasing companies.

boiler 14th Nov 2007 05:01

The aircraft will have to be leased adding a tremendous cost to the operaation. You cannot buy anything directly from Boeing or Airbus till 2017. And this was before EK or QR announced their latest orders.

Sandy Swan 14th Nov 2007 05:45

GF can't produce a Balance Sheet. How do they hope to buy any aircraft,let alone privatise the company?I suspect that EK and QR are placing these huge orders partly in order to stop the weaker companies like GF from acquiring any new aircraft of their own.A bitter market rationalization under way.

knowsup 14th Nov 2007 06:22

A balance sheet??? lets walk before we can run. How about a seniority list??

brassplate 14th Nov 2007 08:34

they can stop flying too. this will save them 600,000 a day.....a good starting point to affording new birds.:}

In such way that... 14th Nov 2007 08:41

Seniority list?
 
Ask Santa Clauss... maybe you can find it at the end of the rainbow!
:ugh:

Sal-e 14th Nov 2007 11:32

C'mon you guys. What difference does it make? Whether or not they announce an order at the air show amounts to the same thing....and that is we won't see new planes for some time. So who cares what the A/PCE or the board did? (Though it was a wasted of time and money for ALL of them to go there just to announce an announcement date!!)

Phantom Driver 14th Nov 2007 12:37

Sad. Very sad.....:bored:

rextravels 14th Nov 2007 13:40

It seems that this big announcement went down the same way the others have gone with GA. Also in the announcement was that BN has been awarded the Big job. So there GA goes again not making any positive decisions, and burying their head in the sand.
The chairman is completely uneducated when it comes to aviation, and the rest of the board are the same.
BN who is over his head and hopefully will work out. Or we will be back at this in a few months.

A very interesting note with a different twist though, why is the ex etihad head of security now the head of security for GA ? or is he passing on information to the folks at Etihad..

Mephistopheles 14th Nov 2007 14:27

It doesn't seem such a big deal but our PCE, especially, has led all of us to believe that there was to be an aircraft order at the Dubai airshow. More bulls*** from the smiling liar. Believe me guys the board & our PCE have no idea what they are doing. I guess they still think they can hold out until privatization!!! Good luck.
Also it's amazing how many bulls***ers are around claiming to have "inside" information regarding this & that. It is obvious now by this thread that there are alot of peolple who know f*** all.

brassplate 14th Nov 2007 14:28

so there you have it...the big announcement..bn has the big job. woopididoo.

rextravels 14th Nov 2007 14:32

Way to put it.
Well I guess PCE and Chairman needed to be together in Dubai to make the announcement that they were going to get a new fleet, but what is worse are the comments made by the chairman their regarding selling off some of the company etc. these guys have not even got out of the sandbox yet and are falling down.

knowsup 15th Nov 2007 03:53

BN you should be ashamed. You held the hopes of the company in your hands and you dropped them. Do you really think the BIG news is that you go from APCE to PCE has a single person excited? The only thing big now is :yuk:your paycheck. Aren't we all glad about that. Only at GF would something like this be allowed. You had us all fooled including pprune's resident joker FADAC. :ouch: Yes we all supporting black eyes today.

airfort 15th Nov 2007 04:34

Blame yourselves
 
I said in an earlier thread the big news to be made was the appointment of BN's as PCE, even before it was announced in DXB. This was the promised breaking news ! ! Are you Nuts guys ? Did you realy believe GA was or can buy new AC ? Not in a 100 years ! !

brassplate 15th Nov 2007 04:54

this is the same guy who stood the company up on what was supposed to be an auspices occassion for gulfair when bahrain officially became the sole owner...and this is to attend a private matter back home....after having invited everyone to a small celebration at hq to mark the occassion.
so when will that celebration take place now? when he is damn right and ready? gf awaits you, oh fearless leader.

jackbauer 15th Nov 2007 04:59

I feel sorry for the pilots who withdrew their resignations for this. It was hoped there was a better future but now it's just as bad as ever. With Naf as PCE things can only get worse. Do they really believe someone wants to buy 50% of a company losing $600,000 a day? If new buyers come in look out cause they will be after your salaries from day one.

boiler 15th Nov 2007 05:24

FYI it will only get worse from here for people at GF. The Bahraini Government has declared Bahrain Air as the second national carrier of Bahrain. So much for supporting GF. Now this new company will have access to and can demand frequencies and traffic rights that are currently used by GF.

brassplate 15th Nov 2007 06:20

jack,
don't feel too sorry for the ones who'd contemplated leaving before. we know whoever made those big orders and they will need drivers soon enough. don't forget, it's a pilots market worldwide. only gf will be the ones who will be sorry, like their newly leased 738. the gf paint is already peeling off after only a couple of weeks. says a lot about the company really. it's all just patchwork and a coverup paint job.

Mephistopheles 15th Nov 2007 08:22

boilermaker, where do you get your info regarding Bahrain Air being the 2nd flag carrier for Bahrain?
Doesn't sound right?

airpilot_A3xx 15th Nov 2007 08:23

"Calling FADAC, Calling FADAC....

:D:D B.O.H.I.C.A :D:D

boiler 15th Nov 2007 09:54

The info comes from a senior manager at GF. This happened less than a week ago. It was a shock to everyone there.

MAKAVELI320 15th Nov 2007 10:48

FADAC FADAC FADAC FADAC FADAC ANY NEWS FROM U ?

repapips 15th Nov 2007 11:32

Maybe FADAC, with his "vivid" imagination, is now contemplating on a new username...a new identity...
Give him time, folks!

bird dog 15th Nov 2007 12:06

By the way
 
Where is IB57. I am missing his clever and impartials posts!!

Mephistopheles 15th Nov 2007 12:10

boilermaker, you should be clever enough to know that first of all GF have senior managers for even the tiniest position. So shame on you for believing him/her!
Also I don't think Bahrain Air can be the 2nd national carrier since 49% of the shares belong to a Saudis. Why don't you ask your 'senior' manager buddy?
:}

boiler 15th Nov 2007 12:41

Dear Mephistopheles, time will prove that I was right once again (and you will see). I feel no shame trusting my source as he/she is very knowledgeable and respectable in the company. FYI, Bahrain Air is also owned by Shk Ali. Given that info, and the other people in BAH backing him up, are u sure it won't be declared as the second national carrier? I said what I said and I am sticking to it. I rarely post anything unless I have checked it through and am sure that it is right.

Mephistopheles 15th Nov 2007 12:45

boilermaker, again my info varies from yours. I have been led to believe that apart from the Saudi investors the other shareholders are Bahraini sheiks but not Sheik Ali. We shall see.

Sal-e 15th Nov 2007 12:49

Wow, seems a little emotional in here. Just laughing at the colourful bit of screaming from some of you:hmm:. Guys, look. Just go to work, earn your keep, and let everything take it's course. Something is in the works and it will reveal itself in time. As we've all said from time to time, sit back, relax, and enjoy.

Navigator007 16th Nov 2007 09:54

Somebody is missing...!
 
FADAC, where r u?

the news please?

Any updates on the super deal?
:}


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