EK late rosters
 

Same old same old sh*t 24th of the month and still not a roster in sight on the Airbus. They made an excuse last month but nothing yet for this month or is this now considered the norm??
Chatting to a BA crew in longs a couple of nights ago they told me that when they do their month of reserve they are given a week free of any duty, but the rest of the month BA can use them as they please. Seems like TCAS forgot to bring the whole BA reserve system over.
Another very pissed off EK driver:{

I'm with you on that one, trying to sort things out for next month and still no roster, it's just crap!!!!!!

Another pissed off EK driver :mad: :{

With BA the best thing about the reserve month is that you have 7 days guaranteed off. If you have to be off for a certain event it is one way of ensuring this and not unpopular with various crewmembers. By the way I did not vote for this reserve system at Ek, what were the majority thinking?

Maybe we should have a POLL to see who actually voted for it. As TCAS said "over 60% voted overwhelming". Yeah right. :confused:

Still no rosters today which means they will not be out until the 25th at the earliest. How many days before does the FOM say we should have our rosters i don't have one to hand.
Anyone thinking of joining this shambolic outfit think very very carefully.

I didn't vote for it (for or against) as I was sure the company had made up its mind anyway and was just going through the motions of asking for a vote. Since when did we ever have say in such matters?

Btw, could someone please explain to me how this FCI about accelerated command works for the guys wanting to transition upgrade. 18 months in the company prior to being eligible,3 month training prior to final line check, 12 months experience on type prior to being considered for upgrade and then a 3 month upgrade course. That makes 36 months total..., or have I missed something? (Apologies for the off topic comment.)

In answer to the FOM reqirement for publishing the roster, it is@ FOM Chapter 4, page 5.

It states "they must be produced not less than 7 days before the expiry of the previous roster"

So where the hell are they then?????????:mad:

Where ???? Just arrogant !

Correct FOM Quote
 

Oblaaspop,
The correct quotation is "and are to be ready for publication not less than seven days before the expiry of the preceding roster". Pedantic I know but maybe they are ready just not published yet :} As for all the other sentiments expressed here, I agree wholeheartedly. It is ARROGANT beyond belief!

Semantics aside, its completely unaccecptable not to know what you are doing next week when working for a scheduled airline!!! For that there is no excuse!

After 5pm now - and only 7 days of January left, and still NO ROSTERS!! Pretty p1ss poor show really........

The printed copy is available in your box.

B777 only apparently..... Not for us Airbus boy's!!!!

Its like we work for a seperate airline!

Finally it's in the system guys. But still not acceptable!

Safe flying

Night Freight Europe I just published March rosters last week :\
But I got enough crew!

Still no dam roster!
 

Four days to go, need to know what i'm doing next month and still no ******* roster.

Getting pissed off and fed up with this ****e airline, i'm very very angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep discovering nothing.

Yes, it's true! No Rosters!! Nothing??!! Where are they??!! The FOM states that the rosters will be ready 7 days before the end of the current roster, why are the people concerned not held accountable?? If I screw up I am! I need to know what I am doing! My wife needs to know what I am doing, my kid needs to know!! Oh well, just three more weeks to go before I go in and say adios amigos!

Can I come too ??:{

I was talking to Leave planner on Wednesday to figure out what "on hold" actually means and saw the Airbus planner.

Its not pretty in there, 2 guys working 15hr days, no days off, trying to cram 31 days of work in 28 days.(Feb) He was finished but the 1 planner trying to fix the training plan that had changes 5 times in 5 days was still working on it.

Manpower issues all around boys!

Yet again still no :mad: ing roster for the airbus pilots in April. How are we meant to plan what little time we have off to recover form the 100 hour rosters. TCAS please get a grip and kick some ass in the rostering department.

hard copy in boxes at CBC (Friday)

What bloody use is it in my box in CBC, they are a shower of useless............

Late every month, are they going for some kind of record, or is the sub-continent mafia reminding us who is in charge.....

dont moan to me; do it to someone who can make a difference

you have allah's mail adress?

Unfortunately, in the byzantine corporate structure that is EK, the rostering department does not report to AS. For that matter, nor does the planning department that is responsible for the current manning crisis. In a further bizarre twist, in the forthcoming annual pay review, AS doesn't even has a seat at the table, yet it is he who will have to deal with the consequences of what is decided.

I'm not trying to defend AS but rather point out that much of the dysfunction here is the result of concious and deliberate decisions made "AT THE VERY TOP" of the airline and as such, I don't believe that much is about to change.

Then why Direct quote from the FOM, Chap 4, Page 4.

Well, you could try but I think ONE of the chief pilots has his hands full with training! Trying to juggle too many balls usually ends up with them all on the floor!

Harry

It does say that but I would also refer you to the chart of Organisation and Structure - Organisational Responsibilities. Crew Planning, Crew Scheduling and Network Control all report to the Vice President of Network Control and Logistics who reports to - not SVPFO but rather directly to EVPFO. While you may be advised to direct your complaints to the Chief Pilot, and I'm sure they will forward your comments and complaints to the crew scheduling department, said department is under no requirement to do anything about it. In fact, that organisational chart explains so much about why we are in the state that we find ourselves. It also probably explains why any reports regarding dispatch and network control are completely ignored.

That was exactly my point. SVP N C & L is not in any way answerable to anyone in our department that might remotely care about our lives.

If you think the April rosters are bad, just wait until May and June. There is no way that the existing crew numbers on the Bus fleets can complete the required schedule.

There are also increasing numbers of guys falling over the hard 900 hour limit, which can only make matters more interesting as each month fewer pilots are actually available to fly. Great way to head into summer. Just watch the sick leave head sky high.

By the way, don't bank on the Chief Pilot lifting his finger to help - he ain't interested. He's too busy processing the 25 pilot applications per day. :mad:

EK roster
 

Wo ist mein Juni roster????

I know, rethorical question....., I was just bored

EK Rosters
 

Rosters late again.

Wait a minute - they are early!:D

They are out.
Jumping the gun, you have to learn to winge when a winge is required! We wouldnt want to loose our credibility. :=

Well, what can I say, I am young, naive and inexperienced...

The life of a crew planner !!!!!
No overtime,
No call out pay
No limo to and from home.
No legalities to protect them from number of consecutive hours worked or days off. Give them a pat on the back now and again, go on, I dare you !

Just to cheer you guys up. I work for a european airline, albeit charter.
I recieved my roster last night.Some are not still out. It has 104 flight hours on it.Equating to approx 31 sectors and two positions, with five long nights. Why i dont know. I cant do it all , but i know it will change. My point is that Ek does not have a monopoly on such behaviour, but it does seem to have a monopoly on its employees whinging continously on PUBLIC forums about every aspect of their existance. Its pretty much the same for everyone guys with a few exceptions in the better organised companies. Issues at ek notwithsatnding it doesnt paint a pretty picture of the mindset of flight crew at EK and the constant whinging about what we all experience these days. Very much a Dubai flat earth mentality and a little past its sell by date. It is an open forum and so if you post I'm entitled to respond as I have alot of interests in the Gulf and mates at EK who dont whinge so much. Its just not pretty:=

No I didnt fail, I passed, but bring on the rest of the abuse

Is there a difference between whinging and whinging about whinging?

And don't you have a couple of other handles? 7x7 or something like that and another one that I don't recall just now.

What I do recall is you talking to yourself on other threads.

Hey guys, do you want a big laugh ?

Down there on paradise island Abu dhabi, for the last 3 years, no roster 2 or 3 days before deadline,and of course no policy for late delivery of the roster.

Things are about to change hopefully for better apparently. Looking forward to it, but no roster yet either !!

I am suitably amazed that the rosters are out. Well done Roster Change! If you had the resources required, I'm sure you would do it every month. Although we bemoan the late rosters that we have been getting for the last 2years, I'm sure I speak for many pilots when I say that we hold you accountable in no way whatsoever. We are all victims of a system that is starved of resources, and I for one appreciate what you have to go through on every shift to get the job done. I would not want to go through what you do on a daily basis.

Until management provides us ALL with the required resources, we can expect things to be tight for a while longer still.

Bushbolox, I hear your pain, and know what you mean, but I expect an airline that markets itself as a serious up and coming global player to behave that way with its staff too. Late rosters are not on, and charters here are very few. I'm guessing that your 104 hours this month will limit your flying for the rest of the year, and be financially rewarding for you.

I am only doing 97 hours next month, but I have yet to see any indication from managment that they have any paln in mind for when we all run out of annual hours. Ours is a year round business and on 550 hours in 6 months, time is running out.

Same Problems all over...
 

Here´s something from far away (Germany):
I´m working for Luhthansa and we don´t yet have a roster for June as well. But for us it´s quite normal: According the books the roster has to be handed out 4 days before end of month.

It´s hard to plan things if you´re a pilot...


many happy landings to all of you