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Hi .
BTC , I am actualy new to this forum , but I have made a bit of research .... I have read many of the posts in this forum.
The intresting part of this forum is that up untill now I have not read a post that has deep and secret information that people can benifit from about QR....or about AAB ....
I mean insider information ..... this is missing!!!
I only read 2 posts ...one about the Captain that had a problem with his beard or hair and was fired , the other about the Captain that was fired because of his ex - girlfreind..
This sort of information influences the forum and changes peoples ideas towards AAB ...
The other type of talking witch you are engaged in is like dog barking i.e. has no use .....
So please , I am not trying to be rude to you , but if you can give me information about QR or AAB that will make people change their minds about the airline or AAB , fine.
thats it for now...
BTC , I am actualy new to this forum , but I have made a bit of research .... I have read many of the posts in this forum.
The intresting part of this forum is that up untill now I have not read a post that has deep and secret information that people can benifit from about QR....or about AAB ....
I mean insider information ..... this is missing!!!
I only read 2 posts ...one about the Captain that had a problem with his beard or hair and was fired , the other about the Captain that was fired because of his ex - girlfreind..
This sort of information influences the forum and changes peoples ideas towards AAB ...
The other type of talking witch you are engaged in is like dog barking i.e. has no use .....
So please , I am not trying to be rude to you , but if you can give me information about QR or AAB that will make people change their minds about the airline or AAB , fine.
thats it for now...
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what?
you mean like walking on the aircraft and saying to one of the female crew: " you were at the Shearaton last night no? and your jeans were very tight isn't it?" and walking away?
that kind of info?
yeah i was there!!!
you mean like walking on the aircraft and saying to one of the female crew: " you were at the Shearaton last night no? and your jeans were very tight isn't it?" and walking away?
that kind of info?
yeah i was there!!!
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Junkyard, I find your comments intriguing (if I really understood them properly), but still a bit strange. Your research should have thrown up quite a bit of insider info, particularly things I've contibuted (mostly under another name). Not up to contrvening the Official Secrets Act I admit, but sensitive info none the less. Why do you think the midget is jumping up and down threatening to use the law etc.
There is plenty on these threads (some good, some not so good) to find out what QR are like to work for. Its just that the concencus of opinion is negative. The European airlines have their problems but generally don't (& can't) treat their people like crap.
I agree with Rae...if you don't find here, you're on the wrong forum my freind!
There is plenty on these threads (some good, some not so good) to find out what QR are like to work for. Its just that the concencus of opinion is negative. The European airlines have their problems but generally don't (& can't) treat their people like crap.
I agree with Rae...if you don't find here, you're on the wrong forum my freind!
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Latest I am hearing is that the balance sheet is now causing "grave" concern amongst the private shareholders who have been bank-rolling the airline for years.
Apparently the Alfardans, Al Mana's and UDC's of this world are now taking a very healthy interest in the carrier's financial performance.
Indeed, and I quote, "it is crazy that we send an A300 4 times a week to Manchester with average loads of 24 passengers, while the man who should be looking after the business is more crazy about who is wearing the hat correctly and which crew member is holding a fork wrong when serving caviar".
I think there is lots more of this to come.........I hope I am wrong though, for the sakes of all you guys and girls who are still there at Qatar.
Apparently the Alfardans, Al Mana's and UDC's of this world are now taking a very healthy interest in the carrier's financial performance.
Indeed, and I quote, "it is crazy that we send an A300 4 times a week to Manchester with average loads of 24 passengers, while the man who should be looking after the business is more crazy about who is wearing the hat correctly and which crew member is holding a fork wrong when serving caviar".
I think there is lots more of this to come.........I hope I am wrong though, for the sakes of all you guys and girls who are still there at Qatar.
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Any news on the Captain that was fired because of his filipino girlfreind that accused him of taking naked pictures of her?
My sources tell me he is an F/O somwhere in the region...
My sources tell me he is an F/O somwhere in the region...
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Latest I am hearing is that the balance sheet is now causing "grave" concern amongst the private shareholders who have been bank-rolling the airline for years.
Apparently the Alfardans, Al Mana's and UDC's of this world are now taking a very healthy interest in the carrier's financial performance
Apparently the Alfardans, Al Mana's and UDC's of this world are now taking a very healthy interest in the carrier's financial performance
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QR B777
Is it true that QR will be ordering B777-200LR and -300ER. All together 20 aircrafts.
What a crazy idea!!!!!!!!!!
All this when the balance sheet is in dire staits.
GM COm - MSF destroying yields, loses over USD100 mill and we still need B777?
Someone help us!
What a crazy idea!!!!!!!!!!
All this when the balance sheet is in dire staits.
GM COm - MSF destroying yields, loses over USD100 mill and we still need B777?
Someone help us!
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Yes, it appears true that QR is in negotiation with Boeing for a new ultra long haul fleet. However, they are also speaking with Airbus too.
Anticipated that the order will be for a large quantity of aircraft. The A380 order is still firm, I am told, although its all been pretty quiet on that front of late.
Anticipated that the order will be for a large quantity of aircraft. The A380 order is still firm, I am told, although its all been pretty quiet on that front of late.
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One of the (many) problems the airline has is that in many of the markets it serves there is virtually no awareness of Qatar Airways among its potential passengers. In fact many do not even know where or what Qatar is. Of the carriers in the region Emirates now has very strong awareness around its route network and GF is beginning to regain its high profile .... but Qatar Airways???
As a result the only way to build loads is through discounting and I'm told for example that in the UK market QR's fares to most of the points on its network are always cheaper than any of its competitors. As long as the airline's profile remains so low it will never successfully improve its yields and reach profitability.
Not surprising that the Manchester loads are so poor. Going ahead with the launch of the route during the Iraq conflict was crass stupidity. It would have made sense to everyone to postpone it for a few months until traffic rebuilds.
As a result the only way to build loads is through discounting and I'm told for example that in the UK market QR's fares to most of the points on its network are always cheaper than any of its competitors. As long as the airline's profile remains so low it will never successfully improve its yields and reach profitability.
Not surprising that the Manchester loads are so poor. Going ahead with the launch of the route during the Iraq conflict was crass stupidity. It would have made sense to everyone to postpone it for a few months until traffic rebuilds.
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Qatar Airways is 51% state-owned, and the State of Qatar is not going to allow such a high-profile element of its face to the outside world collapse. Other shareholders may be less than happy about the absence of financial return, but their intersts are decidedly secondary to the State's, and they will be required to lump it for now, as the State's agenda is currently more about profile and presence than profitability (and given that no Balance sheet is currently published, any talk of actuals is pure speculation, or someone inside is playing a dangerous game!).
Re comparisons with Emirates - How long did EK run before breaking even?
Qatar is a country whose wealth is beyond the imagination of most of us from elsewhere - and it's going to get a lot richer over the next few years. GDP per head of national population (exclude the expats - we don't count) is around USD100k already and set to double within 3 years as the flow of LNG and gas-related products increasingly generates massive incremental income. In this context, the State can well afford to loss-lead with its national flag carrier.
And no, I am not AAB or even a QR employee.
Re comparisons with Emirates - How long did EK run before breaking even?
Qatar is a country whose wealth is beyond the imagination of most of us from elsewhere - and it's going to get a lot richer over the next few years. GDP per head of national population (exclude the expats - we don't count) is around USD100k already and set to double within 3 years as the flow of LNG and gas-related products increasingly generates massive incremental income. In this context, the State can well afford to loss-lead with its national flag carrier.
And no, I am not AAB or even a QR employee.
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Hi Killick,
As previously posted on this thread, according to the World Bank, the GNI/capita, on a population of about 600k, was between $25-26k on 2001 figures. I believe it rose to $28.3 in 2002. There are certainly predictions for a major rise in GNI when revenue from Gas is realised. Where did you get your $100k predictions from?
As previously posted on this thread, according to the World Bank, the GNI/capita, on a population of about 600k, was between $25-26k on 2001 figures. I believe it rose to $28.3 in 2002. There are certainly predictions for a major rise in GNI when revenue from Gas is realised. Where did you get your $100k predictions from?
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The 600k figure is total population, including expatriates (in fact the figure seems to be rising rapidly, and you will find takers at 750-800k).
The Qatari population is very small, and probably no more than 150k - I can't recall exact voting figures in the referendum on the constitution, but seem to recall they were broadly in line with this assumption. Given that the only "owners" of Qatar's GDP are the Qataris themselves, then the true GDP per head of national population (ie excluding the expats) rises dramatically to USD100k plus.
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The Qatari population is very small, and probably no more than 150k - I can't recall exact voting figures in the referendum on the constitution, but seem to recall they were broadly in line with this assumption. Given that the only "owners" of Qatar's GDP are the Qataris themselves, then the true GDP per head of national population (ie excluding the expats) rises dramatically to USD100k plus.
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GDP per capita is predicted to reach $50000 by 2006 which includes the whole population of Qatar, this is according to a cabinet member. The country should be the richest per capita from next year.
As for the most recent GDP figures (From Qatar Central Bank and Planning Council / Figures rounded):
2002/2003 Gross Domestic Product: US $18.8 billion
Population Estimates: 621,000
Doing the Math: $30,300
As for the most recent GDP figures (From Qatar Central Bank and Planning Council / Figures rounded):
2002/2003 Gross Domestic Product: US $18.8 billion
Population Estimates: 621,000
Doing the Math: $30,300
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Thanks - didn't know that. As with most things EK, highly impressive.......be interested to know to what extent the airline has been sustained by other elements of the Emirates Group (eg hotels), but that strays from the point somewhat.
I don't think QR is oblivious to the need to make money, the question is when and how. As mentioned earlier, the State can afford to support it through a troubled adolescence, and it may follow the Emirates model of adding other business lines to generat additional cash flow. It already has Duty Free and the domestic booze monopoly, and there are rumours of further additions in the marketplace.
I don't think QR is oblivious to the need to make money, the question is when and how. As mentioned earlier, the State can afford to support it through a troubled adolescence, and it may follow the Emirates model of adding other business lines to generat additional cash flow. It already has Duty Free and the domestic booze monopoly, and there are rumours of further additions in the marketplace.
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Killick....what you've said is fair enough. However, we all know that Qatari government can sustain QR through any period of time...even....the next 100 years if they had to.
Any sensible businessmen would think at some point that enough is enough, throwing good money after bad for too long and that they will decide to effectively cut QR's umbilical to sustain itself in the marketplace (like EK).
Apart from Football clubs in Europe (they do it for the love and passion of the game and their club) what other industry/company would even contemplate putting up with behaviour and practices that would clearly prevent them getting even a reasonable return on their investment?
So in answer to the other part of your question...when?
The Bouncer appears to be so naive. Again any sensible businessman would try to forsee that time approaching (even if it is still a fair way off) and start to try to get the company in good shape. However he continues to operate QR like they are his own toy trainset.
Doing it now or in the near future would be financial suicide.
In answer to your question....how?
I've said all this before but QR are such a long way from this point in terms of safety culture, sound business decisions (ie. profitable routes, matching aircraft with routes to maximise yield, retention of skilled management, limiting expansion to a manageable level....basic stuff eh?) etc etc etc that any normal company would have nosedived at a rapid rate straight into the red by now if they had done the same things that QR have.
By definition this makes any sucess that QR have had, artificial. Thats a real shame for all the real people that have contributed to QR.
The board need to wake up and take action before all their credibility is finally lost. Address these relatively simple issues and it might survive on its own.
We all know why this won't happen yet.
Any sensible businessmen would think at some point that enough is enough, throwing good money after bad for too long and that they will decide to effectively cut QR's umbilical to sustain itself in the marketplace (like EK).
Apart from Football clubs in Europe (they do it for the love and passion of the game and their club) what other industry/company would even contemplate putting up with behaviour and practices that would clearly prevent them getting even a reasonable return on their investment?
So in answer to the other part of your question...when?
The Bouncer appears to be so naive. Again any sensible businessman would try to forsee that time approaching (even if it is still a fair way off) and start to try to get the company in good shape. However he continues to operate QR like they are his own toy trainset.
Doing it now or in the near future would be financial suicide.
In answer to your question....how?
I've said all this before but QR are such a long way from this point in terms of safety culture, sound business decisions (ie. profitable routes, matching aircraft with routes to maximise yield, retention of skilled management, limiting expansion to a manageable level....basic stuff eh?) etc etc etc that any normal company would have nosedived at a rapid rate straight into the red by now if they had done the same things that QR have.
By definition this makes any sucess that QR have had, artificial. Thats a real shame for all the real people that have contributed to QR.
The board need to wake up and take action before all their credibility is finally lost. Address these relatively simple issues and it might survive on its own.
We all know why this won't happen yet.