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Flow control is obviously not designed by the controllers, no sane controller would implement such an unwieldy system, I have a high respect for most of the controllers in the region they do a good job considering their hands are tied.
However there are one or two fairly inexperienced ones who get a bit too emotional from time to time, this is as about as appropriate as a lippy pilot on the other end. Keep emotion off the airwaves.
Oh and please change the ATIS please, please, please, distraction in the cockpit is one of the largest causal factors in incidents and accidents, making a process longer than needed is not clever.
However there are one or two fairly inexperienced ones who get a bit too emotional from time to time, this is as about as appropriate as a lippy pilot on the other end. Keep emotion off the airwaves.
Oh and please change the ATIS please, please, please, distraction in the cockpit is one of the largest causal factors in incidents and accidents, making a process longer than needed is not clever.
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Dubai ATC are working to the rules that they are given. When some of these rules don't make much sense it results in something of a shambles. Having to use LVP's when it's only a CAT 1 approach. Having UAE centre based in AUH, when Dubai probably has triple the heavy heavy traffic than the rest of the UAE put together. Having minimum radar seperation altered without consulting what the controllers want. Having three controllers suspended at the same time for minor infringements of these 'modified' proceedures. etc etc. Yep, it's a balls-up at busy/foggy times, but it's not really the controllers fault. If enough of us put it on paper, maybe something will happen. The added fuel bill will probaly be more effective at forcing change though.
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Albert,
That sounds like a company i have worked for. Introduce stupid rules, then make an example of the first guy who makes a mistake so that every one else shuts up and toes the line. Then call it progress.
That sounds like a company i have worked for. Introduce stupid rules, then make an example of the first guy who makes a mistake so that every one else shuts up and toes the line. Then call it progress.
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Errr, Ferris, for those of us without a UAE AIC tucked away on the bookshelf please provide illumination of said document.
Riveting stuff, I'm sure.
4HP
Riveting stuff, I'm sure.
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UAE AIC No 1, 2002
Basically says; Your call is important to us, but all our operators are busy..........
No, really it offers contact details for complaints about any ATC professionalism issues (inviting complaints). It's issued by the Director, Air Nav Services. Good luck.....
No, really it offers contact details for complaints about any ATC professionalism issues (inviting complaints). It's issued by the Director, Air Nav Services. Good luck.....
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Regarding the 3nm/5nm sep’s:
Ferris, thanx for the Area Control perspective.
The GCAA have made some conditions for Dubai to get 3nm sep’s back.
This involves the Approach controllers now using two different radar displays, one set at 60nm range scale for the longer range stuff and another that may not be used for a range scale greater than 30nm. The requirement is that we only use 3nm sep’s on the 30nm scope.
There are some adaptation issues that require getting used to on the ATC side. I "expect" that 3nm sep’s will be back no later than the first week in November. However, operators can expect some (limited) restrictions when you are a little further from the airfield, because of the use of two displays to separate traffic depending on their position(s).
The ATC's at Dubai will "probably" be just a little bit careful to start with, as many of us have not worked multi-display before.
I have no comment regarding the if's, but's, why's or why not's of this whole situation.
Dubai ATC is trying to manage under fluctuating circumstances.
Ultimately, your safety is our priority.
Riket
Ferris, thanx for the Area Control perspective.
The GCAA have made some conditions for Dubai to get 3nm sep’s back.
This involves the Approach controllers now using two different radar displays, one set at 60nm range scale for the longer range stuff and another that may not be used for a range scale greater than 30nm. The requirement is that we only use 3nm sep’s on the 30nm scope.
There are some adaptation issues that require getting used to on the ATC side. I "expect" that 3nm sep’s will be back no later than the first week in November. However, operators can expect some (limited) restrictions when you are a little further from the airfield, because of the use of two displays to separate traffic depending on their position(s).
The ATC's at Dubai will "probably" be just a little bit careful to start with, as many of us have not worked multi-display before.
I have no comment regarding the if's, but's, why's or why not's of this whole situation.
Dubai ATC is trying to manage under fluctuating circumstances.
Ultimately, your safety is our priority.
Riket
