What happens if someone leaves without paying the bond from EK - QR?

[fras]

Hey everyone,

I have offer from both companies and I was thinking what happens If I go there and for some reason like my wife does not want to stay anymore or I do not like it anymore etc I quite the job and I don't pay the crazy ammount that I will sign with the contract(bond)?
If I return back to my home in Europe and get an other job can I face legal actions against me in Europe?
Obviously I have to forget going there for vacation after
Do not get me wrong, its not like I am not proffesional but I want to feel like I am not "forced" to stay there if I do not like it.
I would try to pay the bond but what if i cannot?
Anyone went to any of those companies recently and left before the bond was finished?

Regards
Fras

[Haxe]

I am not getting you wrong but people taking responsibility and getting paid to do so should
be aware in beforehand if willing to pay out the bond or not.

If you dont want to pay or your girlfriend wants to go .. all fine but contracts are there for a reason and
you are already playing games about disobeying rules and regulations.

Get a nice job in Europe then but please do not share my flight given that „what happens if..“ attitude.

[HOVIS]

Good employers don't need to bond their employees. Avoid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_bond

[Time Traveller]

Such contracts and associated surety bonds are similar to indentured servitude or serfdom

Ha ha, quite liked that line on Wikipedia. Yes, indeed, good companies shouldn't need it, and it surpresses the equilibrium level of pay. Worse is to bond already rated pilots. Quite why we put up with it, I don't know. It's relatively unusual in other professions.

But as mentioned above, if there's any doubt, there's no doubt - don't go - it's one hell of a big move, and you or the family being unhappy there can be very detrimental. They might not be able to grab you in Europe, but what if you're rostered with a ME layover? I knew a very unpleasant character who did a runner from Singapore with a load of their money, and apparently he squirmed like hell when he had a surprise rostered trip through SIN.

[fras]

Originally Posted by Haxe

I am not getting you wrong but people taking responsibility and getting paid to do so should
be aware in beforehand if willing to pay out the bond or not.

If you dont want to pay or your girlfriend wants to go .. all fine but contracts are there for a reason and
you are already playing games about disobeying rules and regulations.

Get a nice job in Europe then but please do not share my flight given that „what happens if..“ attitude.

your attitude isn't better I have to admit. not playing any games, appart from a little bit fifa.
so if you don't know the answer, keep your professionalism for yourself and don't waste people's time
thanks

[Spongeboeing]

Don't do it. In the old days people may have gotten away with it but not anymore. People used to leave the country, leave their cars park somewhere and make off even with unpaid bank loans. The cockpit stories of people flying through these places on connecting flights and being put in jail for even the smallest of debts are not rare nowadays.
If your family are unsure about moving to any of these two places then you should probably consider that Dubai may be just ok for a wife to stay on the ground with the kids but Doha most probably isn't. They would be bored to death.

[Pif Paf]

One guy left Ek many years ago with outstanding bank loans. Years later he was passing through Dubai and never made it past immigration. Arrested straight away for non payment of loans. He then spent all night ringing past friends and colleagues asking to borrow money! His new employer paid the bill but now keeps his passport when he’s not at work flying!

Basically they will catch you eventually

[Asturias56]

"Obviously I have to forget going there for vacation after"

worse than that - you can't think of flying anywhere near the place in case of an unplanned diversion - and the Middle East is the main route east - means you'd always be flying to Australia via LA for example and FOREVER - computers don't forget your debt and I doubt there is a time limit on legal action there..

As other have said if in doubt don't go - you'll be constantly comparing life there with the life you think you'd have elsewhere and afterwards you'd be always looking over your shoulder.

I know a lot of people who love Dubai - others not so much.

[hobbit1983]

Originally Posted by HOVIS

Good employers don't need to bond their employees. Avoid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_bond

Agreed. However, are there any employers left who don't...?

[Speed_Trim_Fail]

Originally Posted by hobbit1983

Agreed. However, are there any employers left who don't...?

There are a few.

[Haxe]

Originally Posted by fras

your attitude isn't better I have to admit. not playing any games, appart from a little bit fifa.
so if you don't know the answer, keep your professionalism for yourself and don't waste people's time
thanks

Another pro not obeying rules and giving less than a dime on contracts.

Thank you very much for your opinion

[45989]

Originally Posted by Haxe

Another pro not obeying rules and giving less than a dime on contracts.

Thank you very much for your opinion

The "rules" used to relate to when there were gentlemen. Bonds?? Now like everything else, lowest standard rules

[inbalance]

Originally Posted by fras

your attitude isn't better I have to admit. not playing any games, appart from a little bit fifa.
so if you don't know the answer, keep your professionalism for yourself and don't waste people's time
thanks

you should not ask questions in an open forum because you may not like the answer.
I don’t like your attitude.

[admikar]

Originally Posted by fras

Hey everyone,

I have offer from both companies and I was thinking what happens If I go there and for some reason like my wife does not want to stay anymore or I do not like it anymore etc I quite the job and I don't pay the crazy ammount that I will sign with the contract(bond)?
If I return back to my home in Europe and get an other job can I face legal actions against me in Europe?
Obviously I have to forget going there for vacation after
Do not get me wrong, its not like I am not proffesional but I want to feel like I am not "forced" to stay there if I do not like it.
I would try to pay the bond but what if i cannot?
Anyone went to any of those companies recently and left before the bond was finished?

Regards
Fras

Why are you bonded in the first place? Are you already rated?

[FQT2YS]

I know a guy who did a „runner” many years ago, during a layover! Just did not show up for the return flight to DXB the next day.

Working for a European low cost Airline now.

It could work, but never try to book a holiday involving a flight, that could potentially divert into DXB.

[roll_over]

Is bonding qualified people common in any other industry?

I told people in other industries about it and they thought I was mad. It’s not acceptable at all.

If I hired a cleaner for my house and bonded them for training I’d probably get done for modern day slavery and rightly so.

[Scooter Rassmussin]

The really bad part is , any member of your family who travels through a GCC country in the future can be detained in prison until you arrive and take their place .it has happened . Could you risk that on your parents grandparents or Siblings if they just want a London Holiday via the Middle East.

[HOVIS]

Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin

The really bad part is , any member of your family who travels through a GCC country in the future can be detained in prison until you arrive and take their place .it has happened . Could you risk that on your parents grandparents or Siblings if they just want a London Holiday via the Middle East.

Why would anyone volunteer to work and live in such a country? Is the money really that good?

[Spongeboeing]

Originally Posted by HOVIS

Why would anyone volunteer to work and live in such a country? Is the money really that good?

Because it's not as bad as some people here describe. It is possible to live a happy life as an expat in the ME. The place has some rules written on paper but most people won't experience any situations where they even have to remember such rules exist. The day to day life is comfortable. You get to save more money than you could anywhere else. The work is ok (tiring as is long haul anywhere) and the package includes a lot more than just money.
But there are people who just aren't compatible with expat life and they value the safety that an "old country's" contract and laws give them, even if it means to work less comfortably or for less money. It's as simple as that. The ME isn't for everybody. Some people love it and some hate it. The reality is that more of the people who hate it write on here. The colleagues who are happy in Dubai don't usually come to pprune to tell us about it.

[admikar]

Originally Posted by roll_over

Is bonding qualified people common in any other industry?

I told people in other industries about it and they thought I was mad. It’s not acceptable at all.

If I hired a cleaner for my house and bonded them for training I’d probably get done for modern day slavery and rightly so.

Other side of the coin is that you invest time and money and then they jump ship. You might swallow one or two, but after that it's either bond or you pay for your own training (wondering where have we already seen this).