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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 13:45
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UAE-Israel Flights

Rumours are they going to happen. So via Saudi?

And will nationals from certain countries refuse to operate these flights due to their political believes?
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 14:50
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They use to freak out doing the SID out AMM!

Have not read the details but would over flight have been the main advantage?
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 15:00
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Air India presently operate over Saudi into TLV. Or at least they did pre-Covid.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 16:08
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Why? Close to Israeli air space?
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 19:38
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Yes, but the turn was at 5 nm and the border [email protected] nm. I would tell "mate, get over it , just fly the plane "
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 22:13
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It's a shame it is not far enough for a night stop. TLV is great fun and especially in the summer.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 22:37
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What is this ‘Night-Stop’ thing you speak of?

Furthermore, getting ones passport stamped on arrival (should the gen deck not be used), could make life awkward entering other GCC countries that are not as desperate for money to be spent in their Mall’s.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 22:45
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I could foresee special crewing requirements for flights to Israel, flight and cabin crew of certain nationalities may prefer not to operate on this route, and the Israelis may prefer not to have them. There is always the possibility of an AOG with the crew needing to spend a day or two in the country, and service with a smile might be difficult for some CC when serving kosher food to ultra Orthodox Jews.

This is not unprecedented as American expat Pilots working for Vietnam Airlines weren’t allowed to operate flights to North Korea.

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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 22:53
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Also known as a layover.

The Israelis actually did away with stamping passports years ago. You now just get a credit card sized piece of paper which is your entry visa.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 22:56
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American's going to Iran use to be restricted
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 13:39
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Imagine the cost savings!

Since we cannot transit Damamscus, imagine the cost savings and time saved from Dubai - Larnaca, Italy, France, and the rest of southern Europe. It will be a heck of a job with the radio work as I'm sure Tel Aviv and Jeddah will not coordinate, but I'm guessing this is the main driver of this normalization. No flights to Israel, but the overflights will save 30 minutes to 1 hour on these kinds of sectors.
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Old 27th Aug 2020, 04:37
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Hmmmm.............I'm not sure that I'd get my hopes up just yet. Geographically its more likely that Saudi ATC would coordinate with Jordanian ATC, as they have done for years. And as the Jordanians appear to have more cordial relations with Israel, onward coordination with Tel Aviv would I suspect rely on Amman. Same in the opposite direction. I'm open to correction on that, but I don't think the radio work would be any more complex than the old "Confusion Corner" leaving Syrian airspace and entering Nicosia FIR and vice versa.
And looking at a chart, I don't think the time savings would exceed about 15 mins. Still a significant saving once schedules return to previous levels though.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 16:17
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First flight.

LY971 operating tomorrow. TLV-DXB. El Al B787.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 18:33
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It looks like it will be going to the capital on Monday. More info here:

Times of Israel - El Al plane listed for historic Israel-UAE trip with dialing code flight numbers
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 22:38
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Fantastic progress for the region, hopefully other countries will see the benefits and follow suit. The cost savings from overflights alone would be immense, let alone the economic benefits from trade.

The best way to ensure peace is to have different countries economies so interdependent on trade and investment that going to war with each other is impossible, and disputes have to be resolved diplomatically.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 22:57
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There is a new “pragmatic” regime in KSA. I wouldn’t be surprised if cordial relations were suddenly discovered.

Years ago there used t be an Israeli airline transit the Red Sea along the Egypt/ KSA FIR boundary on its way to and from African destinations. Memory fails me as to which airline it was.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 00:55
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Halal or Kosher instead of Chicken or Beef :-)
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 00:24
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Kosher has stricter standards such as no mixing of meat and dairy, but does allow alcohol. Muslims could eat kosher food as long as a few minor points were addressed, so possibly a simple dual rated menu could be produced which meets whichever requirements are more restrictive.

Ordering kosher is often a good option on a flight as your meal gets served first. Most institutions are unable to obtain kosher certification for their kitchens and have to order from outside suppliers. A Jew serving time in a British prison is entitled to food which meets religious requirements and will eat far better than those with no special dietary needs.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 02:52
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It looks like it will be going to the capital on Monday. More info here:

Times of Israel - El Al plane listed for historic Israel-UAE trip with dialing code flight numbers
Well done, President Trump. Truly the statesman of our times!
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 07:41
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BBC reporting that it will be a B739, and will fly through Saudi airspace.

Pictures show some pomp and pageantry with the Boeing painted with Peace written in English, Arabic and Hebrew decals. Red carpet at Ben Gurion airport with US and Israeli flags, but notably no UAE flags... 🤔

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