When should one drop the Title of Captain?
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From: Dubai UAE
When should one drop the Title of Captain?
Rumour has it there are fellows who have not got their hands dirty on a joy stick for over 16 years and are using the Title of Captain what is the "Norm Etiquette?"
Are you serious?
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From: ME
I have to admit that i get annoyed listening to groundschool instructors calling themselves Captain......
I accept that they may have flown for a different airline in that capacity, but that was then, this is now.........
Mutt.
I accept that they may have flown for a different airline in that capacity, but that was then, this is now.........
Mutt.
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From: westofbara
Traditionally the title of Captain is never put to rest but is rather kept as a matter of respect as well as status. Keeping hold of the title is up to the individual, some see it fit to drop the title from the day they lose or give up their stripes for whatever the reason while others opt to hold tight and stand tall for their hard work and dedication to a profession which demands such great responsibility over an extended period of time. These are only my opinions however, and your question will be fully answered on the day it is your turn to hand in your stripes.
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From: An Asian Hub
It comes in handy when you are operating in dodgy second and third world environs and your dealling with Security, once the ask for your name and they see the bars, usually things become smoother, unless they pull weapons on you
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From: Eagan, MN
"Captain" is a job, not a title. It includes responsibilities, not perks. Its compensation is money, not worship. If you want titles, perks and worship, 'Prince' Charles. As such, a Captain, as any working person, commands respect; the other, as a kept 'man', contempt.
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From: France
I can find no reference in any ICAO annexes, UK CAA documents, UK ANO, or JAA - JAR OPS 1, that refers to a position of "Captain". All references to the pilot in charge of an aircraft are to the "commander'.
The term "captain" in a company mis-use of the correct reference to the 'pilot in charge"of an aircraft.
I guess if you are a serving member in HM forces (for Brits) and have attained the rank of Sqdn. Ldr in the RAF, or Capt. in the Army you are entitled to use the term captain, much as a "Dr". or "Prof"is entitled to use these titles when they have qualified to do so by means of academic attainment. Is there a minimum academic standard for a pilot in charge of an aircraft?
IMHO the answer to your question is that the title should be dropped as soon as the "captain" finishes his/her duty period, and thereafter when he/she comes to the end of their flying (in command) days with the company.
I trust this will evoke some spirited response from the flying community!
The term "captain" in a company mis-use of the correct reference to the 'pilot in charge"of an aircraft.
I guess if you are a serving member in HM forces (for Brits) and have attained the rank of Sqdn. Ldr in the RAF, or Capt. in the Army you are entitled to use the term captain, much as a "Dr". or "Prof"is entitled to use these titles when they have qualified to do so by means of academic attainment. Is there a minimum academic standard for a pilot in charge of an aircraft?
IMHO the answer to your question is that the title should be dropped as soon as the "captain" finishes his/her duty period, and thereafter when he/she comes to the end of their flying (in command) days with the company.
I trust this will evoke some spirited response from the flying community!
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From: USA
You knew I'd pitch in...
As stated earlier, the term "Captain" as used in civilian aviation is nothing more than a position within the organisation. Those calling themselves "Captain" in this context outside the working environment have no right to do so. Anyone doing so is a bit sad...
A Salvation Army officer has more right to use the term as a title than any flyboy.
What is it with some of you? Are you so insecure as to rely on the(probably non-existent) adulation that may come with the sobriquet?
What matters is the ability to do your job as safely and as professionally as is reasonably possible.
The next most important matter is that of your salaries. Some airlines, particularly carriers in the 'States, are paying their "Captains" so much that there is a very real risk that more will be out of work as a result of their current financial woes.
As stated earlier, the term "Captain" as used in civilian aviation is nothing more than a position within the organisation. Those calling themselves "Captain" in this context outside the working environment have no right to do so. Anyone doing so is a bit sad...
A Salvation Army officer has more right to use the term as a title than any flyboy.
What is it with some of you? Are you so insecure as to rely on the(probably non-existent) adulation that may come with the sobriquet?
What matters is the ability to do your job as safely and as professionally as is reasonably possible.
The next most important matter is that of your salaries. Some airlines, particularly carriers in the 'States, are paying their "Captains" so much that there is a very real risk that more will be out of work as a result of their current financial woes.
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From: Uranus
Bus429,
Well said.....................
I've been a captain for some time, ie. the pilot in command of a 737, but would never dream of calling myself "captain". Its purely a job description and has no place in normal life. Whilst an F/O I checked into a hotel once at LGW with the rest of the crew, the captain filled in his check-in form with - LAST NAME '****', FIRST NAME 'Captain'. A very sad man indeed.
Well said.....................
I've been a captain for some time, ie. the pilot in command of a 737, but would never dream of calling myself "captain". Its purely a job description and has no place in normal life. Whilst an F/O I checked into a hotel once at LGW with the rest of the crew, the captain filled in his check-in form with - LAST NAME '****', FIRST NAME 'Captain'. A very sad man indeed.
