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EK to Decommission 40% of Airbus A380, Axe 1/3 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 21st May 2020, 20:17
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Originally Posted by nolimitholdem View Post

And one truism: no one will cry for EK.

Those poor sods who lose their jobs and cant get another in current environment will. I dont understand this bizarre hatred for EK - if you dont want to work for them dont apply for the job.
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Old 21st May 2020, 21:04
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Originally Posted by nolimitholdem View Post
Kind of bizarre to see don of all people pleading for sensitivity, speaking of emotional dribble. Next Sir Tim will be on here asking that we all just get along and give each other a hug.

As to the lack of comments from actual EK pilots, allow me to relay that in speaking to a couple of those exact specimens, I would say that the rumours are pretty bang on. A big cull expected last week, just didn't materialize yet. Lots of speculation as to the reasoning for some odd roster codes.

Quibble if you want about the numbers but when most of a business is built on the most vulnerable type of flying (longhaul) in the most vulnerable sector on earth (aviation) I'm not sure why people are so defensive. Downsizing is inevitable, no reason to think EK will be immune.

Not really opinion, more like basic economics.

And one truism: no one will cry for EK.
Although you may be speaking with a EK pilot, you still are an ex Ek pilot. You see my point now? Of course you don't. You are the special one right? Bloody groupies.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 05:16
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While not directly EK related this article from CNBC mentions up to 70% of Dubai based businesses closing in the next 6 months.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 14:31
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I see Tim Clark has been interviewed in the Financial Times. Says EK has no plans to dispose of any aircraft apart from the 3 A380s and the 9 777s that were already planned to be retired. When asked about job loses, he stated that it will be business driven, and no decision has been made yet.

He expects all aircraft flying again by summer 2022, with a slow growing of market between now and then.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 14:39
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Little bit of good news for EK , maybe just delayed along with redundant numbers not as high as the prune experts have proclaimed .
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Old 23rd May 2020, 08:38
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
I see Tim Clark has been interviewed in the Financial Times. Says EK has no plans to dispose of any aircraft apart from the 3 A380s and the 9 777s that were already planned to be retired. When asked about job loses, he stated that it will be business driven, and no decision has been made yet.

He expects all aircraft flying again by summer 2022, with a slow growing of market between now and then.
Of course he wouldnít gild the Lilly would he?
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Old 23rd May 2020, 10:15
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
Of course he wouldnít gild the Lilly would he?
He very well could be. But, at least the source of this article has a name, unlike that annon cabin crew one. It's also from someone that might even be involved with the process, which is far different to any of the ď I spoke to a friend, who has a cousin ...Ē etc type posts.

If you want to call the TC out for not telling the truth in international press, that's your right.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:05
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The engineer who signed the Tech Log on my last flight a few days ago used the term 'long term storage' for the majority of the 380 fleet, which funnily enough corresponds to TC's most recent quote. EK has always prided itself in having the ability to bounce back quickly from tougher times in the past and I suspect they will want the same agility again. This is tough to achieve if you don't have enough pilots to fly your parked jets and the lead time to recruit and train new pilots takes months.

If we see some 380s being placed into storage rather than being disposed of, it raises the conundrum of how the company will manage a potentially sizable number of pilots not flying for several months yet still keeping them as employees. I doubt very many will have an appetite for a prolonged period of unpaid leave.

It's worth remembering that behind each staff number is a colleague who probably has a spouse and a family to support. Losing your job here has far more ramifications than it does if we were back at home, since you are faced with the certainty of not only moving home but moving country and uprooting kids from school too, for those that have them and are in Dubai. A traumatic experience for all concerned and one that would probably test a few marriages too I am sure.

Good luck to all.
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Old 24th May 2020, 02:21
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Emirates is already trying to open up to a few destinations. They will eventually begin proper transit service in the coming weeks to help people get where they need to be. So redundancies may not be as massive as we thought. Emirates is good on cash reserves for now and with an anticipation of starting flights, they will minimize their losses further.
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Old 24th May 2020, 02:27
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
If we see some 380s being placed into storage rather than being disposed of, it raises the conundrum of how the company will manage a potentially sizable number of pilots not flying for several months yet still keeping them as employees. I doubt very many will have an appetite for a prolonged period of unpaid leave.
350/787 deliveries brought forward possibly?
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Old 24th May 2020, 14:22
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Originally Posted by PanAmFalcon View Post
Emirates is already trying to open up to a few destinations. They will eventually begin proper transit service in the coming weeks to help people get where they need to be. So redundancies may not be as massive as we thought. Emirates is good on cash reserves for now and with an anticipation of starting flights, they will minimize their losses further.
i really have to ask Pan Am. Where do imagine these people will come from.. and where will they want to go?

Most people I know wonít even think about Overseas travel for the next 2years.
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Old 24th May 2020, 14:40
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Most people I know won’t even think about Overseas travel for the next 2years.
People have surprisingly short memories SOPS... I guess many Aussies won't want to leave their bubble perhaps, but as the rest of the world has been pretty much infected it may be a sooner than you think!

IMHO...
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Old 24th May 2020, 14:50
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I donít think the World is infected, in Asia almost nothing anymore and in Europe the situation improved because of the lockdown. The situation will never go back to normal in a short period of time. This summer it will slowly open provided the numbers donít go up again steeply. For now we have to live with the virus unfortunately, so I doubt there will be massive traveling this year. The Middle East airlines will be be hit hard because they are hub airlines with massive amounts of passengers gathering.
I foresee rather point to point connections between countries with lower infection rates. Like within Asia or within Europe.
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Old 24th May 2020, 22:31
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Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
350/787 deliveries brought forward possibly?
I wonder if the five completed 350-1000s that are currently destined for EY, may find a new home? Four have been in storage at BOD for several months now with the remaining aircraft finishing flight testing at present in TLS.
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Old 25th May 2020, 03:17
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If it was some -900 (or for that hypothetical matter -800) i guess they'd be on their way to the neighbor soon. They need smaller equipment. But with the closeness of the -1000 to the workhorse 77W, i's not urgent, the old dog still performs adequately.
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Old 25th May 2020, 04:01
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
i really have to ask Pan Am. Where do imagine these people will come from.. and where will they want to go?

Most people I know wonít even think about Overseas travel for the next 2years.
There is a fair bit of Int'l Travel. People stuck due to border restrictions, people who came to USA for medical issues, dual citizens, and essential travel. AF at JFK fills about 200 pax on days we op pax flights. Cargo has their own flights. This is now. In the future, depending on border openings, there will be a demand.
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Old 25th May 2020, 06:57
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
i really have to ask Pan Am. Where do imagine these people will come from.. and where will they want to go?
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Since globalization people have more than 1 home. Some want to return to the country they work at, students going back to schools etc. leisure travelers are at a all time low but a lot of people have places to be for A lot of reasons. That is why countries are opening up their borders in Europe, airlines such as Lufthansa and Turkish are eager to start limited services and hospitality industry opening their doors a little bit. The virus will be here for many months (or weeks if we are lucky) and people have places to be.
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