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Saudiís dirty game against its pilots

Old 4th Apr 2020, 20:08
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Saudiís dirty game against its pilots

Saudia is forcing all expat captains to request a six months unpaid leave as of April 15, 2020 otherwise face termination. This course of action is contrary to the labour law of the kingdom. They did this by telephone calls and refused to put it in writing. They wanted it to appear as if the captains are requesting the leave. Very dirty game by an airlines that is celebrating 75 years of service. Shame on the Saudia management!
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 08:37
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From a Country not famed for ever playing a "clean" game, hardly surprising.
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 09:36
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Disgusting

I worked there for a few years and I left, Saudia is one of the most messy airlines in the world, nice airplanes with plenty of MEL every flight, even on new ones, no planning whatsoever for the future. They were waiting for an excuse to actuate the most ridiculous plan ever, SAUDIZATION ! It will never work, they donít have what it takes to run an airline without expat because they lack professionalism and discipline. Local pilots claim sick continuously and get the best flights.
the pay is not even that great comparing to 5 years ago. The colleagues that are being forced to do this should consult a lawyer all together and pretend that the company follows tha Saudi law without those dirty tricks.
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 14:38
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What did you expect from the Saudiís?
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 17:05
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Surprise Surprise!
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 17:08
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Do the pilots have any means to go home? The country has already banned all flight in and out. This could be another nightmare to those pilots.
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 20:44
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All pilots stuck in the curfew bound cities until further notice. No flights means staying at home. And now no salary means stay at home without family and without work or money.
With Ramadan looming ahead these so called curfews are only going to get worse.
Pilots losing an average of 10-20% of their basic salary every single month due to some miscalculation done half a dozen years ago. All one sided. No explanations ever given !
and now from 15th April, you can either lose your job or take unpaid leave for 6 months. This had been illegalised by the King less than a week ago. Blatant disregard for the Kings decree.
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 20:46
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This is all BS. There is a legal option to leave the company. Go ahead. Go legal. Take another job. It so easy these days and coming years... Plenty opportunities around .
They still give you a chance. Obviously Saudia can't afford to pay salaries when airplanes are not moving and oil price is next to nothing. They are even terminating their own pilots older than 58 years, and not taking back their retirees as promised. It's their country. What did you expect?
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 07:33
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Which planet are you living in Romasik 🙄
Surely you havenít been in this part of the world lately

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Old 6th Apr 2020, 09:30
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Looks like someone here is aiming for a manager position in the most halal office in the world. Disgusting....
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 19:20
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There are about 60-70 Saudi Captains who just (JAN-FEB) retired and expected to be hired as contractors, making double or triple their income. One is the brother of the actual Minister of Transportation Ex-Saudia DG. Disgusting.
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 22:13
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The locals play with companyís money, doing useless type ratings on new airplanes that only made a few flights (B747-8) now parked and unused.
The first officers are spoiled and absolutely not ready to be captains... Scary times ahead
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 23:10
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This is where Emirates would actually stand off as a considerate and caring operator
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Old 7th Apr 2020, 05:25
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Originally Posted by polax52 View Post
American nationals within the company should consider highlighting these issues to the FAA.
The FAA will do nothing at all, due to wider political context.....
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Old 7th Apr 2020, 21:54
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SAUDIZATION

Its the right thing to SAUDIZATION the whole company. 1200 saudi citizens pilots are Unemployed . Thank you SAUDIA AND THANK YOU CAPTAINN FOR SERVING IN OUR COMPANY. I read comments saying that Saudia can not be success without expat . Im gonna say youíre wrong on that and we will handle it without you . If you dont like Saudization then go to ur country and find new job there and one can open his mouth against u
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Old 8th Apr 2020, 00:14
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For an airline that aims to be top 5

Originally Posted by Romasik View Post
This is all BS. There is a legal option to leave the company. Go ahead. Go legal. Take another job. It so easy these days and coming years... Plenty opportunities around .
They still give you a chance. Obviously Saudia can't afford to pay salaries when airplanes are not moving and oil price is next to nothing. They are even terminating their own pilots older than 58 years, and not taking back their retirees as promised. It's their country. What did you expect?

It is not the pilots to go legal because so far is the company that is not doing it and will also be liable criminally by the one that perpetrated and actuated the illegal behaviour.

Pilots have a contract so it is not up to them to leave the company nor to ask for unpaid leave.

Surely if they decide to brake the contract they will have to pay ALL their dues and it is their responsibility to repatriate the crews as per contract. (They will have to put up flights for that purpuse because othervise foreign embassies will get involved and they will lose even more credibilty in the eyes of the world against what that they are trying to build to attract foreigners)

Nobody expected this from a company or a country like Saudi Arabia but I believe that they will find a more sensible and viable solution than this one.

Qatar airways is retaining its crew with a reduction in salary like Emirates and local airlines in Saudi.

Thinking that an employee can remain in Saudi without salary and food away from their family is only something that one would expect in third world countries like Africa.

i hope they will not put up with this. And surely the future behavior will set an example for the future if they will seek foreigners to work for them again.

They promised the moon to everybody before employment but they did not keep any of those promises.

First officers were promised command courses that never materialised, they moved people in different bases without paying any relocation allowance as per contract. The employed crews waited more than nine months to have a dignified accomodation as per contract......

I am confident that this is the opportunity to prove the rest of the world wrong about Saudi I hope for them and for the crews that they will jump on this opportunity.

Surely it would be very different for all the employee, if they are repatriated and agree on a certain time of lower wage during this crisis I am sure that there would be a totaly different commotion about this issue and everybody would accept it.

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Old 8th Apr 2020, 00:18
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Saudis don't always fly very well, do they? Some do, older experienced men. Young ones tend to have an arrogance default, especially against 'Westerners'.
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Old 8th Apr 2020, 00:23
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Originally Posted by Romasik View Post
This is all BS. There is a legal option to leave the company. Go ahead. Go legal. Take another job. It so easy these days and coming years... Plenty opportunities around .
They still give you a chance. Obviously Saudia can't afford to pay salaries when airplanes are not moving and oil price is next to nothing. They are even terminating their own pilots older than 58 years, and not taking back their retirees as promised. It's their country. What did you expect?
It is very bad the way you talk to those guys that sustained the company during ramadan every year and doing the bad flights, obviously this offer of 6 months without pay, by the sound of your words, has not been proposed to You.

Also it looks like blackmail you can go and look for another job really 🙄......I want to remind you a famous say : ďon the corpse of the lions the dogs feast....but the lions will always be lions and dogs will always remain dogsĒ
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Old 8th Apr 2020, 06:16
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Originally Posted by SingleWing View Post
Saudia is forcing all expat captains to request a six months unpaid leave as of April 15, 2020 otherwise face termination. This course of action is contrary to the labour law of the kingdom. They did this by telephone calls and refused to put it in writing. They wanted it to appear as if the captains are requesting the leave. Very dirty game by an airlines that is celebrating 75 years of service. Shame on the Saudia management!
The labour law has changed due to the companies NOT able to provide FULL salary without making any money themselves. MOST companies are the world are doing the same. We should help the company that have put food on our tables for years.
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Old 8th Apr 2020, 06:25
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Originally Posted by Jack330 View Post
I worked there for a few years and I left, Saudia is one of the most messy airlines in the world, nice airplanes with plenty of MEL every flight, even on new ones, no planning whatsoever for the future. They were waiting for an excuse to actuate the most ridiculous plan ever, SAUDIZATION ! It will never work, they donít have what it takes to run an airline without expat because they lack professionalism and discipline. Local pilots claim sick continuously and get the best flights.
the pay is not even that great comparing to 5 years ago. The colleagues that are being forced to do this should consult a lawyer all together and pretend that the company follows tha Saudi law without those dirty tricks.
Saudi pilots are more than 95% of the company force and they're fully qualified and professional. Why would a company leave their own citizens unemployed for other expat. I understand if they don't have skilled citizens but this is not the case.
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