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Say bye, bye productivity!

Old 13th Aug 2018, 08:22
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Danger Say bye, bye productivity!

So for those who haven't heard our latest casualties:

- 2 fleet managers
- 2 deputy chief pilots
- 1 chief pilot
- 100+ pilots
- senior instructors
- senior examiners

From the little man with all the wonderful ideas. We are now an airline composed of 2 bar pilots and 6 month training Captains with thousands of VP's. Any guess as to why we are having near crashes on a monthly basis? Our pilot count is back to 2016 levels and dropping. Instead of the pilot package improving, the rumor mill is suggesting we are about to lose productivity pay, why? Because we are just glorified flight attendants and don't need it! Unbelievable.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 08:36
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Does it surprise anyone then to read some gems from the LSManager:

.... the crew found themselves unexpectedly having to deal with subtle changes in environmental conditions ....
.... crew found the aircraft floating after encountering performance increasing updraft ....
.... in all cases the winds were light and variable ....

Decision made, i have to leave that amateur outfit asap, it becomes beyond ridicule.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 10:53
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So we loose productivity and basically they can make us fly any amount they want. No limit on monthly hours except as legally limiting...... wonderful !
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 11:57
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They have form, when it comes to productivity pay.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 16:11
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Any new or existing CP would have to resign immediately if the above rumor is true to have any credibility - a line must be drawn by those that take the responsibility- otherwise complicit.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 16:39
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Originally Posted by fliion View Post
Any new or existing CP would have to resign immediately if the above rumor is true to have any credibility - a line must be drawn by those that take the responsibility- otherwise complicit.
I'm afraid "money counts".
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 17:03
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Thats why the current CP quit!

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Old 13th Aug 2018, 19:20
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Thats why the current CP quit!
My point, he has now set the bar, letís see who keeps it or lowers it.
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 00:23
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Originally Posted by glofish View Post
Does it surprise anyone then to read some gems from the LSManager:

.... the crew found themselves unexpectedly having to deal with subtle changes in environmental conditions ....
.... crew found the aircraft floating after encountering performance increasing updraft ....
.... in all cases the winds were light and variable ....

Decision made, i have to leave that amateur outfit asap, it becomes beyond ridicule.
FFS, are things at that level now? ďfound the aircraft floating ... ď Holy [email protected]
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 02:33
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The company seems to be having difficulty recruiting new pilots. Starting to reduce pay to attract more bodies would be brilliant!

let's wait and see.
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 03:35
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Sounds just a wild rumour, if they donít pay donít work simple.
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 20:03
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Who starts these rumours....
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 20:05
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Originally Posted by Schnowzer View Post
Sounds just a wild rumour, if they donít pay donít work simple.
If only it were that easy.......
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 07:49
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Which Fleet Managers?

The CP allegedly resigned because the O2 thief 2 levels above bollocked him in front of subordinates, a cultural no-no.

Near crashes on a monthly basis - BS.

subtle changes in environmental conditions - yup, subtle being the one that sneaks up on you when you're tired and/or not expecting it!

floating after encountering performance increasing updraft - laws of physics dude, what were you expecting. Unless you have superhuman powers to predict it, you have to react to a change. May not be a native english speaker so "found" might not be the most enlightening phrase.

There's plenty to complain about, for sure, but there's a heap of hot air here too.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 12:10
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“Overtime” is UAE law. They might be able to change the time for when it kicks in,as they have done in the past, but it is not going anywhere.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 13:40
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Itís also against UAE law to hold an employees passport yet I saw EK doing exactly that and flat out refuse to give back a Canadian passport to a leaving employee. They basically used it as blackmail for said individual to sign an amended EOS statement on his LDS which surprise surprise was worth a lot less after EK had done its ďadjustmentsĒ. Its also UAE law for the company to pay for all visa related costs of the employee and family yet EK doesnít do that either.

If if you believe EK wont do it your either naive or have been here to long.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 13:50
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A lot of labour "law" also "doesn't apply" because HQ is in Dxb Airport Freezone... yeah convenient
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 15:20
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Originally Posted by pilotguy1222 View Post
ďOvertimeĒ is UAE law. They might be able to change the time for when it kicks in,as they have done in the past, but it is not going anywhere.
When I joined in the OMA was "law' for FTL for Cabin Crew..one day it was "disappeared" and Cabin Crew were able to fly as much as EK wanted. If you believe that are "law" can stop them doing something if they want to...you are sadly mistaken
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 19:46
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Originally Posted by fliion View Post
Any new or existing CP would have to resign immediately if the above rumor is true to have any credibility - a line must be drawn by those that take the responsibility- otherwise complicit.
Does that mean every pilot should resign also out of principle if they take another item out of our package? We have all been complicit over the years but the majority of EK pilots arenít leaving no matter what they take away from us or do to us.
What will it take for pilots to have responsibility here?
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 20:14
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Originally Posted by RK Blue sky View Post


Does that mean every pilot should resign also out of principle if they take another item out of our package? We have all been complicit over the years but the majority of EK pilots arenít leaving no matter what they take away from us or do to us.
What will it take for pilots to have responsibility here?
Some have balls, others don't.
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