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One Drink Too Many

Old 1st Aug 2018, 22:11
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One Drink Too Many

Arabian Business report of an off duty pilot threatening to blow up plane. How did this manage to stay quiet?

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/trav...emirates-plane
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 00:29
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How did it stay quiet? The clue is in the fact the alleged is a local. But hang on... they donít drink alcohol... correct?....
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 03:55
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
How did it stay quiet? The clue is in the fact the alleged is a local. But hang on... they don’t drink alcohol... correct?....


No, no, no, Sir, you are mistaken, they would never drink alcohol, would they?

More likely that this particular hero doesn't have sufficient Wasta to be able to follow the age old tradition in the sandpit which is that IF you have enough clout, or friends in low places, then some things simply 'didn't happen'.

I saw quite a lot of things out there that I was obviously mistaken about and didn't really see what I know thought I saw.... because they 'didn't happen'. I must have been drinking!

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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 05:48
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Emirati Pilot means someone with a pilots license....maybe not even employed as a professional pilot. Professional drone or ultra light pilot maybe..who knows.
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
How did it stay quiet? The clue is in the fact the alleged is a local. But hang on... they donít drink alcohol... correct?....
Originally Posted by cargosales View Post
No, no, no, Sir, you are mistaken, they would never drink alcohol, would they?
Yes, correct.
Just like Catholics all go to church every Sunday, do not eat meat on Friday, have sex only to procreate, etc.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 08:48
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
How did it stay quiet? The clue is in the fact the alleged is a local. But hang on... they donít drink alcohol... correct?....
It stayed quiet because:
  • The captain, FO aren't part of the PPRuNe community and probably whoever they talked to aren't part of PPRuNe community
  • The cabin crew aren't part of PPRuNe and whoever they talked with aren't part of PPRuNe community
  • The passengers around the Emirati aren't part of PPRuNe and/or couldn't be bothered
  • The staff of EK here aren't social enough to know the crew working that flight and hence no information
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
How did it stay quiet? The clue is in the fact the alleged is a local. But hang on... they donít drink alcohol... correct?....
hmm...or it stayed quiet because:
  • The Flight deck and cabin crew on that flight aren't members of PPRuNe and hence didn't post
  • The flight deck and cabin crew don't have any mates, who they may have shared this information with, who are part of the PPRuNe community
  • The EK specific crew here on PPRuNe don't socialise much with their fellow members and/or didn't know any of the crew members from that flight in question
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 16:11
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Think I'd be a little more concerned with the drinking habits closer to home than someone who, in all probability, doesn't even work for EK.

Couple of our fellow colleagues have recently 'left the business' due to positive tests, so please be careful as it's zero tolerance.

12 hours may NOT be enough.....

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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 16:44
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Why risk everything for a drink 24 hours before any duty.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 19:17
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in my opinion 8 Hrs from bottle to throttle is not enough ,i am not sure if EK apply the 12 Hrs rule , why risk every thing just for the sake of it!
drink on your days off only !
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Zero tolerance, utter nonsense in regards to EK and the GCAA and peddling fear.

There are prescribed limits which are

9 ug/100ml or 0.02 Blood Alcohol Content and no alcohol to be consumed within 12 hours of commencing a duty.

Basically 25% of the allowed driving limit in most US states and the same limit prescribed by EASA. However it may be lower in some countries.

Depending in your metabolism, general use of alcohol, body weight and amount consumed 12 hours may not be enough, for others eight may be enough.

As professionals we should know our limits, many have gone and bought breathylisers, not because they are alcoholics, but because they are responsible professionals and thatís the only sure fire way to know your metabolism.

if your over and flying an aircraft I have no issue with Medicals pulled. But alcoholism is a disease and should be treated like any other imho


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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 04:08
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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes View Post
Drink on your days off - days?? plural??
You mean every 2 weeks when I get 2 days off?
Have a drink the day before a day off, after duty of course. Never on a school night so to speak.

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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 06:19
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in my opinion 8 Hrs from bottle to throttle is not enough ,i am not sure if EK apply the 12 Hrs rule , why risk every thing just for the sake of it!
drink on your days off only !
Just a bit too paranoid for my liking, a couple of beers etc on a 24hr layover is never going to put you even close, but be warned you can and will be tested before leaving the hotel.
If you stick to lower volume alcoholic drinks you will never have a problem if you knock it off 12hrs before, unless of course you can consume faster than a professional darts player.
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There seems to be a general misunderstanding by some about BAC and alcohol metabolism rates.

It doesn't matter who you are (eg. short, tall, fat, skinny, bald, not bald, male, female, "transgender"), everyone metabolizes alcohol at the same rate of approximately 0.016 per hour (may vary between 0.015-0.020 depending on various individual characteristics). Some very simple math can then be applied to figure out how long it will take to bring your BAC to the acceptable level. If you are twice the legal drinking limit (eg. 0.08) when you stop consuming alcohol, it will take approximately 10 hours to get to zero. However, It is possible to never get to 0 as the body can naturally produce alcohol that will show up in the blood. That is why the UK limit is 0.02.

The above mentioned variables do affect 3 things:

1. How quickly one's BAC increases
2. How much one's BAC increases from a given volume of alcohol
3.How one "feels" due to a given BAC

However, once someone stops drinking, their body will reduce its' BAC at a constant rate of approx. 0.016 per hour. It should be mentioned that there is a variance to this figure but it applies only to heavy drinkers and individuals with specific physical conditions. The science behind this can be easily researched online.

To be clear, a short while after you stop drinking, your body will achieve its peak BAC. The level varies according to gender, weight, and other factors, however, there is nothing you can do to "speed" up the reduction of this BAC. Therefore, the only reliable way to know when you will be "ok" for your next duty with respect to BAC is to breathalyze yourself approximately 30-60 minutes after you stop drinking and do the math. Err on the low metabolism rate if you want to be extra safe.
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Originally Posted by cheerios View Post
There seems to be a general misunderstanding by some about BAC and alcohol metabolism rates.

It doesn't matter who you are (eg. short, tall, fat, skinny, bald, not bald, male, female, "transgender"), everyone metabolizes alcohol at the same rate of approximately 0.016 per hour (may vary between 0.015-0.020 depending on various individual characteristics). Some very simple math can then be applied to figure out how long it will take to bring your BAC to the acceptable level. If you are twice the legal drinking limit (eg. 0.08) when you stop consuming alcohol, it will take approximately 10 hours to get to zero. However, It is possible to never get to 0 as the body can naturally produce alcohol that will show up in the blood. That is why the UK limit is 0.02.

The above mentioned variables do affect 3 things:

1. How quickly one's BAC increases
2. How much one's BAC increases from a given volume of alcohol
3.How one "feels" due to a given BAC

However, once someone stops drinking, their body will reduce its' BAC at a constant rate of approx. 0.016 per hour. It should be mentioned that there is a variance to this figure but it applies only to heavy drinkers and individuals with specific physical conditions. The science behind this can be easily researched online.

To be clear, a short while after you stop drinking, your body will achieve its peak BAC. The level varies according to gender, weight, and other factors, however, there is nothing you can do to "speed" up the reduction of this BAC. Therefore, the only reliable way to know when you will be "ok" for your next duty with respect to BAC is to breathalyze yourself approximately 30-60 minutes after you stop drinking and do the math. Err on the low metabolism rate if you want to be extra safe.
All very valid stuff , but the person in question was a passenger . Obviously couldnít control his behavior after a few drinks ... happens a lot unfortunately
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 00:44
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So what will happen to this gentleman?
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 03:46
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So what will happen to this gentleman?
His lawyer will appeal, stating on meds, and heíll walk.

White G wagons, running over herders, at night, in desert with AK, on video - the precedent.

Those here a awhile will remember.





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His lawyer will appeal, stating on meds, and heíll walk.

White G wagons, running over herders, at night, in desert with AK, on video - the precedent.

Those here a awhile will remember.





The players in the "G wagon" incident were too far up the equality chain to ever be touched legally so that outcome was a forgone conclusion. However in this case, and since this gentleman is a pilot carrying and Emirati passport, and given that aviation in the UAE is such an important part of the economy and development of the country, and that this incident may have embarrassed the country, I'd expect that there may be some influence by Sheik Mo that he spend some time reading the Quo-ran about the evils of alcohol as a "guest of the state". My guess is a year...with a pardon next Ramadan.
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