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Too much English..no?

Old 1st May 2018, 09:48
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Too much English..no?

Am I the only one to find it highly amusing that ELP 6 rated pilots, many of which are native to the U.K. and have been operating for decades, are to be assessed by a local language school? Some might suggest that at about 1200aed a test, someone’s cousin’s brothers auntie is making money...I couldn’t possibly comment.
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Old 1st May 2018, 10:17
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Reason .... maybe

Originally Posted by Basic Service View Post
Am I the only one to find it highly amusing that ELP 6 rated pilots, many of which are native to the U.K. and have been operating for decades, are to be assessed by a local language school? Some might suggest that at about 1200aed a test, someone’s cousin’s brothers auntie is making money...I couldn’t possibly comment.
That could be secondory reason too ... some money for some friends .... but I think the primary issue is reality that many poeple has ELP 6 and they are hardly ELP 4 .... how many guys from Italy, Spain and many southern nation got ELP6 without any assesment... everybody knows how this test or checks are running there ...
.... nothing personal guys, just manana siesta culture style .... less heart attacks 🤣
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Old 1st May 2018, 11:49
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that is VERY racist. it shows the caricature of the person who posted it
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Old 1st May 2018, 12:05
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Not racist you moron. Picking on counties, NOT race. I’m offended I’m offended. Get over it
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Old 1st May 2018, 12:11
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Being born and raised in a different english-only speaking country, I was given a ELP4 upon my arrival at EK (no assessment). 2 years later it was fixed by a friend who was working at the GCAA at the time.

Given that our recurrent exams, e-learning voice overs, etc., don't even have correct english ( the Queens or the Yanks), I certainly won't be taking one of these assessments if the coin is coming from my pocket.
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Old 1st May 2018, 14:03
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that is VERY racist. it shows the caricature of the person who posted
It's called humour! Something the world had before the leftie pinkie tree-huggers tried to kill it off
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Old 1st May 2018, 14:19
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Originally Posted by chmila View Post


That could be secondory reason too ... some money for some friends .... but I think the primary issue is reality that many poeple has ELP 6 and they are hardly ELP 4 .... how many guys from Italy, Spain and many southern nation got ELP6 without any assesment... everybody knows how this test or checks are running there ...
.... nothing personal guys, just manana siesta culture style .... less heart attacks 🤣
dear chmila,
I come from one of those countries where english is not properly tought and i am well aware of it.
But here we are talking about English. And when i mean English i mean that and not scotish, irish, ozi, kiwi, southafrican and many more.
I always try to force myself to have a decent accent, i cannot say the same from many "english" natural speaker.........
So maybe before criticizing the siesta people think how many different accent we are supposed to understand.........
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Old 1st May 2018, 16:12
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Given that our recurrent exams, e-learning voice overs, etc., don't even have correct English
Which they are well aware of and choose to ignore.

I recall one recurrent session, when half a class fell short of the mark by one question. On discussion in the cafeteria, I realised they were all non-native English speakers and the question in question (heh) was so poorly written I'd been lucky to understand it myself as a native English speaker. Brought up the issue with the training lot, even re-wrote the question to correct English and was rebuffed without so much as "we'll look into it". Luckily all those crew passed the re-sit (likely because we ran through the 'how to spot EKglish questions" method)

Two years later the same question was still in the exam. Let's not start on the current one that is along the lines of 'Which answer is correct?" A. True B False
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Old 1st May 2018, 16:33
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Originally Posted by flareflyer View Post

dear chmila,
I come from one of those countries where english is not properly tought and i am well aware of it.
But here we are talking about English. And when i mean English i mean that and not scotish, irish, ozi, kiwi, southafrican and many more.
I always try to force myself to have a decent accent, i cannot say the same from many "english" natural speaker.........
So maybe before criticizing the siesta people think how many different accent we are supposed to understand.........
Dear Flareflyer,
I absolutely understand what you are talking about, because I am from non english enviroment country as well. I can hardly speak and my grammer is night mare. .-)
Worse case scenario was flying with somobody from UK ... perfetct english ... probably too perfect for my knowledge. So for my self it is long life fight to be better and improve a little bit.
But my point was not about accent or that somebody is not native .... that would mean shooting in own foot, but point was about guys like me and you who has real level lf 4,5 but they have from some “tricky” reason ELP 6. And believe me I met a lot of them ... as well many imigrants with US passport, with strong latino accent hard to understand, but showing to everybody .... ELP6 ..... and because there is in our gulf area a lot issue with comm, thats sound like reaction ... not talking solution, just reaction ...
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Originally Posted by givemewings View Post
'how to spot EKglish questions"
Hahaha!!! I think you have coined a new word!!

Shame that when blatant errors are pointed out, they are almost always ignored.

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Old 1st May 2018, 16:59
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Just another box ticking exercise, I’m the proud recipient of ELP 4 on my UAE License which is somewhat ironic given that my training qualifications on my UK license allow me to award ELP 6 to trainees.
Surely the cod will be along shortly virtue signalling and telling us all how racist we are.
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Old 1st May 2018, 17:04
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Originally Posted by chmila View Post


Dear Flareflyer,
I absolutely understand what you are talking about, because I am from non english enviroment country as well. I can hardly speak and my grammer is night mare. .-)
Worse case scenario was flying with somobody from UK ... perfetct english ... probably too perfect for my knowledge. So for my self it is long life fight to be better and improve a little bit.
But my point was not about accent or that somebody is not native .... that would mean shooting in own foot, but point was about guys like me and you who has real level lf 4,5 but they have from some “tricky” reason ELP 6. And believe me I met a lot of them ... as well many imigrants with US passport, with strong latino accent hard to understand, but showing to everybody .... ELP6 ..... and because there is in our gulf area a lot issue with comm, thats sound like reaction ... not talking solution, just reaction ...
Ops........ As you can see i didn't even understand what you meant
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Originally Posted by chmila View Post


Dear Flareflyer,
I absolutely understand what you are talking about, because I am from non english enviroment country as well. I can hardly speak and my grammer is night mare. .-)
Worse case scenario was flying with somobody from UK ... perfetct english ... probably too perfect for my knowledge. So for my self it is long life fight to be better and improve a little bit.
But my point was not about accent or that somebody is not native .... that would mean shooting in own foot, but point was about guys like me and you who has real level lf 4,5 but they have from some “tricky” reason ELP 6. And believe me I met a lot of them ... as well many imigrants with US passport, with strong latino accent hard to understand, but showing to everybody .... ELP6 ..... and because there is in our gulf area a lot issue with comm, thats sound like reaction ... not talking solution, just reaction ...
Ops........ As you can see i didn't even understand what you meant
Now i did
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Old 1st May 2018, 17:25
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Since moving here my English has deteriorated. Its actually shocking.
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Old 1st May 2018, 18:11
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Many moons ago, during transition training, I was criticized for my English being "Too strong!" whatever the hell that meant!
When I asked what the root cause analysis of that might be I received a blank expression. OIC.............
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Originally Posted by alwayzinit View Post
Many moons ago, during transition training, I was criticized for my English being "Too strong!" whatever the hell that meant!
When I asked what the root cause analysis of that might be I received a blank expression. OIC.............
It means you speak English in such a way that no one understands you.
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Old 1st May 2018, 18:22
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Can someone give a rough breakdown of where pilots are from, what % from US, UK, AUS, UAE etc etc

Thanks
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Old 2nd May 2018, 00:18
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that is VERY racist. it shows the caricature of the person who posted it
I do hope you are joking, otherwise you are in serious need of therapy.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 08:25
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Well , it is a thread about ELP 6!
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