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A380 production repreive - EK order

Old 19th Jan 2018, 10:48
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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes View Post
So are we going to park the new ones as well or will they just replace the ones we have parked already?
Good one. Not arriving for 4-years, tho
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 12:05
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If the new A380's are to replace some of the older aircraft they own, then EK will, as has happened before with the A340 fleet, consider parting them out to lower ongoing maintenance costs.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 14:35
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post
I thought that EK was close to broke.
No, just not making as much profit as before.

Others go into the red, EK just makes less. Its one of the reasons the US hate them so much.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 14:38
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Originally Posted by msbbarratt View Post

So let's consider the 777X. Emirates has the largest order for those too by a long way, and may find themselves in the same position with that (i.e. having to place an order otherwise the production line closes). So the big question could be, would Emirates prop up the 777X too? It's not going to be especially better than the old 777; 10 across is still going to be a fairly miserable experience. Somehow I can't see them being as enthusiastic, especially if they're already propping up A380. And if they're buying A380s that aren't immediately needed, will they still buy all of those 150 777x in the first place?
*Cough*

So the 787 order recently announced has no effect on an ageing 777 fleet ?

Emirates aren't 'propping up the A380' as they are getting the aircraft they want at a very good price.

Propping it up would involve paying over the odds and there is zero evidence for that happening.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 15:10
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Originally Posted by falcon12 View Post
If the new A380's are to replace some of the older aircraft they own, then EK will, as has happened before with the A340 fleet, consider parting them out to lower ongoing maintenance costs.
I still can't find out if those will be 380 plus or not...
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 15:56
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Originally Posted by GrahamO View Post
Emirates aren't 'propping up the A380' as they are getting the aircraft they want at a very good price.

Propping it up would involve paying over the odds and there is zero evidence for that happening.
I read an article today about the A380 that was interesting. As you may know, Airbus received launch aid from Europe which does not have to be paid back if they program is not profitable. Seems like a good deal and it is for Airbus.

But...at the low rate that they are now going to be producing the aircraft, they lose money on each airframe, a cost that is not covered. This order just extends the period of low airframe production meaning more loss for a longer time.

What is needed is new fleets created at other airlines but with each A380 sold to EK, it is less likely that another airline will start an A380 fleet as their potential A380 pax go to EK instead.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 17:54
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Don't worry too much for Airbus :

Airbus Beats Boeing in 2017 Orders With Late Selling Spree | Fortune

I remember the level of sarcasm when the A320 came on the market ...
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 18:37
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Originally Posted by Odins Raven View Post
You do realise the A380 can be configured 11-across, despite the current operators choosing 10?
Yes I do realise that, but it is notable that no airline has. Probably a case of no airline having a route with that much demand. And it would diminish the appeal.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 21:16
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Originally Posted by GrahamO View Post
*Cough*

So the 787 order recently announced has no effect on an ageing 777 fleet ?

Emirates aren't 'propping up the A380' as they are getting the aircraft they want at a very good price.

Propping it up would involve paying over the odds and there is zero evidence for that happening.
Er, I think if Emirates are the only airline buying then, by definition, they are propping it up. It would cease to exist if no one bought it. Unless Airbus were engaging in a large and expensive game of bluff.
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