Airbus ready to ace A380 if it fails to win EK order.
Wish you would tell the station. Left behind with 70 empty seats. Payload restriction they said.
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70 blocked seats and not getting on because of payload restrictions are 2 completely different animals.
Blocked seats mean the aeroplane probably can't do it, which to/from ADL they both certainly can.
Payload restrictions means the company chose to uplift cargo rather than a standby staff traveler. Unfortunately the 30t of 'meat' has the highest onload priority..
Blocked seats mean the aeroplane probably can't do it, which to/from ADL they both certainly can.
Payload restrictions means the company chose to uplift cargo rather than a standby staff traveler. Unfortunately the 30t of 'meat' has the highest onload priority..
Don, when we’re you left behind in ADL? up too about 35C the tractor can take off at max gross out of ADL on 23 and 05. Forecast fog perhaps in DXB requiring extra fuel uplift? or more likely the precious meat rather than staff me thinks. I’ve never been performance limited out of ADL, which means you can take a full pax load and about 15 tonnes of cargo for a fairly standard ADL-DXB sector.
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interestingly on the fuel cost. Lets over exaggerate the fuel used by the 380 and under exaggerate on the 777-300ER on a DXB-JFK (2 month advanced purchase with 8 days before return) Lowest ticket price used.
380 - 200 tons @ current prices of $640 per ton. $128,000
399 x $1377 = $549,423
76 x $6030 = $458,280
12 x $12404 = $150,756
$1,158,459 - $128,000 = $1,030,459
777 - 90 tons @ same. $57,600
310 x $1377 = $426,870
42 x $6030 = $253,260
8 x $12404 = $99,232
$779,362 - $57,600 = 721,762
$308,697 is a substantial difference per flight, and that is with numbers skewed in benefit of the 777. Plus, if EK operates both types on the same route, you willpay more for a 380 ticket. Clearly biz seats are where most of the money difference is made.
The 777X promises to be an unbeatable machine, but with the ego in the bouncy castle, will it replace with 380 entirely? Will it have a bar/lounge. When business class and 1st class passengers fly from Japan to Seoul(example) to fly on the 380, EK would be stupid ( oh wait) to ignore those high yield passengers.
Eh, here is hoping I will not be in Dubai anymore when this all happens to find out the answers.
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Those figures make many assumptions.
Firstly, they assume that the flight will be full of passengers paying optimal fares. Throw in some discounted economy tickets to fill the void and some Skyward's upgrades into both premium cabins and it starts to look less attractive. The maths also doesn't include the revenue created by an additional 15+ tonnes of cargo that could be carried by the B777.
Secondly, while highlighting the profit, you fail to mention the costs. Higher overflight fees and the increased cost of landing and handling. Those 10 extra cabin crew need to be factored in, as well as many other obvious costs such as twice the engine costs in maintenance/engineers. Finally, the higher cost of purchasing and leasing needs to be addressed as this effects the bottom line too.
There is no doubt that this amazing machine can be economical when assigned to high density routes and into key airports. However, the question remains whether the number we have in service, and still to come, will be detrimental to the future of EK. Airbus will not commit to keep the production line open unless Emirates guarantees a future order. Emirates will not guarantee a future order unless Airbus commits to keep the production line going for a minimum of the next ten years. When aircraft cease production, not only do parts and spares become harder to source and more expensive, but the manufacturers desire to support such obsolete equipment is diminished.
Whichever way this standoff goes, one of the participants will be left with egg on their face.
Harry
Edited to agree with comment below!
Firstly, they assume that the flight will be full of passengers paying optimal fares. Throw in some discounted economy tickets to fill the void and some Skyward's upgrades into both premium cabins and it starts to look less attractive. The maths also doesn't include the revenue created by an additional 15+ tonnes of cargo that could be carried by the B777.
Secondly, while highlighting the profit, you fail to mention the costs. Higher overflight fees and the increased cost of landing and handling. Those 10 extra cabin crew need to be factored in, as well as many other obvious costs such as twice the engine costs in maintenance/engineers. Finally, the higher cost of purchasing and leasing needs to be addressed as this effects the bottom line too.
There is no doubt that this amazing machine can be economical when assigned to high density routes and into key airports. However, the question remains whether the number we have in service, and still to come, will be detrimental to the future of EK. Airbus will not commit to keep the production line open unless Emirates guarantees a future order. Emirates will not guarantee a future order unless Airbus commits to keep the production line going for a minimum of the next ten years. When aircraft cease production, not only do parts and spares become harder to source and more expensive, but the manufacturers desire to support such obsolete equipment is diminished.
Whichever way this standoff goes, one of the participants will be left with egg on their face.
Harry
Edited to agree with comment below!
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How much revenue in terms of maintenance contracts and spares does a parked/stored aircraft bring? I really doubt Airbus predicted A380s will be start to be parked after 10 years.
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Just stating that for the article, he took the 380 list price and cut it in half, because no airline ever pays list price. Plus, the more your order, the bigger the discount.
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Having flown as a pax 4 sectors in a week on the A380, A350, 777 and 787 I can happily say the 380 was the best for passenger experience but that is only part of the story....
Sitting against the ****ter bulkhead on the 787 for 5 hours nearly killed my brain!
Sitting against the ****ter bulkhead on the 787 for 5 hours nearly killed my brain!
I have to agree.
The Whale is the most comfortable ride i've ever had in an aeroplane.
The Whale is the most comfortable ride i've ever had in an aeroplane.