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EK 40k $ bond for Captain Upgrades

Old 26th Nov 2017, 12:57
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EK 40k $ bond for Captain Upgrades

From the creators of: “you gotta be 35 to command an airplane” and “we don’t understand why people talk about fear factor” comes:

“If we can’t make them stay, let’s prevent them from leaving”!

40000$ and 2 years bond for new Captains so they don’t flee in mass like they are currently doing.

They will never get it, will they?
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 13:23
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AuusieF..you are making this up....aren't you?
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 13:24
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A good incentive to forgo the upgrade and quickly get into class at Delta!

I recently ran into a young ex-EK 777 captain who was thrilled to be a copilot on a 737 at United. He commented that it was like a part time job after being at Emirates.

The commuter airlines in the U.S. are so desperate that they are giving Ozmates some sort of work visa to fill the flightcrew seats.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 14:05
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SOPS -

Aussiefarmer is, unfortunately, not making it up. You can't make this sh.te up.

40K US - 2year bond - valid from the the PPC not the LOE
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 14:25
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??????
Is it that bad
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 14:35
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yet just like in CX.. they'll still line up.. not you or me.. i've had enough. But the 20 year olds from Euro Lcc's will.

Its all pointless. Allah Akbar.. god luck.. its not in your hands.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 16:36
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Haha, so the are working closer with the ones across the road! But it will not be a merger eh...😂 So instead they 'align' the conditions first. What's next; 12hr DHD days, stopping certain layovers, no more fancy coffees. 😉
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 16:45
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So...just like all the first world airlines do?

PS...they don't do that.

Only desperate poorly managed airlines do this.


Sad to watch really...

As the old expression goes..."desperate times call for desperate measures" (aka panic stations).

Things must be really bad...
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 17:33
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So...just like all the first world airlines do?

PS...they don't do that.

Only desperate poorly managed airlines do this.


Sad to watch really...

As the old expression goes..."desperate times call for desperate measures" (aka panic stations).

Things must be really bad...
One day they will realise that there has been far too much stick and nowhere near enough carrot and that further doses of stick are now (and have been for some time) counter productive. But they aren't ready to hear it from us yet.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 18:37
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So let me get this right, I move half way around the world, work and study hard, wait for my 35th birthday, after I’ m finally finished with my initial type rating bond I start a 40k (!) command course (??) bond because they need captains to run the operation. Bearing in mind most LCCs do not bond you for the upgrade. Mmmmmmh
I’ m basically bonded for most of my time there. Is this really happening?
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 18:45
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
A good incentive to forgo the upgrade and quickly get into class at Delta!

I recently ran into a young ex-EK 777 captain who was thrilled to be a copilot on a 737 at United. He commented that it was like a part time job after being at Emirates.

The commuter airlines in the U.S. are so desperate that they are giving Ozmates some sort of work visa to fill the flightcrew seats.
Initials S.W?
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 20:18
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TC said a couple of years ago something along the lines of “we’re gonna create such a nurturing and caring environment that you will never think of leaving”

Nah, we might as well keep you against your will!

The organizational culture of the 1960s. The cancer of this airline.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 20:33
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Is this official or just training college gossip for the time being?
This is not a good move if true. How about improving terms and conditions to attract the brightest and the best rather than keeping people prisoner?! Hmmmm...
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Cloud Bunny View Post
Is this official or just training college gossip for the time being?
This is not a good move if true. How about improving terms and conditions to attract the brightest and the best rather than keeping people prisoner?! Hmmmm...
I’m having a deja vu.

When they massively increased the overtime threshold people thought initially it was a rumour.

When they started evicting people from their houses people thought it was an isolated ocurrence.

When they came up with a minimum age for upgrades people thought initially it was a rumour.

When they downgraded Commanders with tens of thousands of hours on the most challenging fleet people thought initially it was a rumour.

Oh well I guess we will keep lying to ourselves thinking this place will someday change for better. Deep inside we all have some hope.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 21:19
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Just a quick update ...was in office today for some work, very soon they will be sending new email since it was supposed to be 4 years and not 2 years.


Any company which has to resort to such measures is giving clear signs of problem. First it was FO bond of $50000 for 5 years now this one...Habibi won’t accept that no one willing to Join EK ...... and Yes there is nothing called “Fear Factor” ...... it’s real fear....fear of flying the airplane the EK way...

every pilot recruited by EK came with at lest 4000-6000 jet hours (not the recent recruits with 1000 hours total) these pilots never had any problems in their previous life....of course, because every one submitted a no incident and accident certificate plus each pilot had a reference from his previous employer, who wrote a testimony for this would be EK pilot. These pilots after joining EK suddenly start having handling issues and all the PAMS were assessed as 3 and even 2 .....so where is the problem....is it the recruitment team who are not able to filter....or is it the training department...who think the star they wear is one from the galaxy...and they think they know every thing and fly the aircraft even better than Auto pilot

I think it’s the training department and the trigger happy Habibis who are to be blamed for EKs present image.

Most of the Airlines first have a training day and next day is PPC. At least this is how it was in my previous 2 companies. Here it’s opposite. How can you check some one when you have not let him manually fly the airplane for last 6 months. So at least first train the guy and then check him on the second day. PPC does not give a certificate that for next 6 months this pilot will not do any mistakes and all his PAMS have been assessed and fixed. Things can go wrong with anyone anytime. But then let’s fix the problem by training, not by issuing warning letters.
Hope the managers accept the problem in their management and fix it before it’s too late.
it takes long to climb but no one cares when the graph slides ...people are quick to change their bets on a promising stock
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 21:26
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Originally Posted by Airbuspilot72 View Post
Just a quick update ...was in office today for some work, very soon they will be sending new email since it was supposed to be 4 years and not 2 years.


Any company which has to resort to such measures is giving clear signs of problem. First it was FO bond of $50000 for 5 years now this one...Habibi won’t accept that no one willing to Join EK ...... and Yes there is nothing called “Fear Factor” ...... it’s real fear....fear of flying the airplane the EK way...

every pilot recruited by EK came with at lest 4000-6000 jet hours (not the recent recruits with 1000 hours total) these pilots never had any problems in their previous life....of course, because every one submitted a no incident and accident certificate plus each pilot had a reference from his previous employer, who wrote a testimony for this would be EK pilot. These pilots after joining EK suddenly start having handling issues and all the PAMS were assessed as 3 and even 2 .....so where is the problem....is it the recruitment team who are not able to filter....or is it the training department...who think the star they wear is one from the galaxy...and they think they know every thing and fly the aircraft even better than Auto pilot

I think it’s the training department and the trigger happy Habibis who are to be blamed for EKs present image.

Most of the Airlines first have a training day and next day is PPC. At least this is how it was in my previous 2 companies. Here it’s opposite. How can you check some one when you have not let him manually fly the airplane for last 6 months. So at least first train the guy and then check him on the second day. PPC does not give a certificate that for next 6 months this pilot will not do any mistakes and all his PAMS have been assessed and fixed. Things can go wrong with anyone anytime. But then let’s fix the problem by training, not by issuing warning letters.
Hope the managers accept the problem in their management and fix it before it’s too late.
it takes long to climb but no one cares when the graph slides ...people are quick to change their bets on a promising stock
A 9 year bond! Novel.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 21:58
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Originally Posted by Uplink View Post
A 9 year bond! Novel.
Plus the years you have to wait for an upgrade if you are not 32/35.


What's next ? Will instructors be bonded to prevent them from leaving the training department? Will Engineers be bonded? What about ground staff?
Or is taking our passports away the next step to prevent us from leaving?
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 22:00
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Initials S.W?
Perhaps but I didn't get the name. I was in transit and saw a sticker on the pilot case and struck up a brief conversation. He seemed to be kissing the ground to be back in the States after his overseas tour in DXB.

Relatively few Americans have flown as expats (and even fewer will admit it ).

Seems like training bonds were tried in the U.S. a couple of decades ago but were deemed illegal in some court ruling. Another questionable practice was requiring you to resign a seniority number while you were on furlough from another airline.

I think some folks on furlough from Delta years ago got in trouble at FedEx for claiming they weren't on Delta's list and then taking some post 9-11 Delta bankruptcy payout negotiated by the union.

Anyway, the union tells us that we're not supposed to say that there is a pilot shortage, we are to announce that there is only a shortage of pilots willing to work for substandard wages in the U.S.

Whatever the case, it's been decades since the airline pilot hiring scene has been this vigorous in America.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 22:24
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Bus Driver Man, the engineers have been bonded for years for each engine/airframe course they do.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 01:42
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9 year bond...that will entice the punters.
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