Uniform Standards
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 613
Likes: 1
From: London
Maybe EK could follow the lead of some EU operators; I saw a VS SFO earlier this week walking through LHR wearing jacket and hat but no tie and open neck towing his wheelie bag and last week at LGW a U2 FO, top couple of buttons undone, loosely hanging tie, jacket slung over his shoulder and not only chewing gum but blowing bubbles. Both in the terminals and surrounded by the public.
I'm only jealous though, as I've never been good at walking and chewing gum at the same time, let alone blowing bubbles
I'm only jealous though, as I've never been good at walking and chewing gum at the same time, let alone blowing bubbles
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
From: Somewhere
These guys / girls obviously think they look cool but whether we like it or not we are in a profession where the first impression counts, but more so how you look reflects your attitude!!
Should we at EK walk around in an herd at the airport, no!
Should we turn up to work looking as smart as possible*, yes!
(* there are some people who are naturally untidy however thats no excuse for not trying!)
Should EK have better things to do rather than sending out stupid instructions like this, yes!
Should we at EK walk around in an herd at the airport, no!
Should we turn up to work looking as smart as possible*, yes!
(* there are some people who are naturally untidy however thats no excuse for not trying!)
Should EK have better things to do rather than sending out stupid instructions like this, yes!
It's exactly this kind of holier than thou bigoted attitude that makes it painful to share a flight deck or even a crew bus for that matter, with people who think they're better than everyone else because they can do a button up.......
It's a high likelyhood that these 'lackeys' are probably streaks ahead as operators and most definately socially, which is a huge part of working as a crew. Something severely lacking in this part of the world.
The number of people with outdated, 60's esque attitudes towards millennial aviation is quite frightening and pretty much sums up what a miserable place this is to ply one's trade......
I'm so over it........
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
From: Somewhere
Yes Jebus.....
That's aviation in the 21st century.......
And also the reason why you don't get paid a rock star salary.....
Although I suspect you along with many others believe you're worth twice what you're currently being paid.
It's not as complicated as it was in the last century you know!
That's aviation in the 21st century.......
And also the reason why you don't get paid a rock star salary.....
Although I suspect you along with many others believe you're worth twice what you're currently being paid.
It's not as complicated as it was in the last century you know!
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 763
Likes: 1
From: Monrovia / Liberia
Nedul wrt: 'are probably streaks ahead as operators'... that is indeed the operative word, i.e. 'operators', but not pilots. They're probably very good as children of the magenta line, in a fully automated scrogg's wonder jet, but not much good if you loose the automatics (or, gawd forbid, turn off the automatics, assuming you're even allowed to in your airline?!) and / or if you take them out of a fully ATC controlled environment. And, yes, I've flown with plenty of (as you put it) 'millennial aviators', so I do speak from experience; many of them are not much better than procedurally driven monkeys, imho.
Joined: Apr 1999
Posts: 655
Likes: 0
From: South of North
Nedul--fact is that the job requires a uniform and a uniform that is worn properly. If you can't follow that, rather basic, requirement then your ability to follow other requirements is suspect.
I don't care if you are 21 or 61, the image you portray to the traveling public is important which is why airlines push as hard as they do regarding their uniform standard.
Finally, if the employer requires it, whether you like it or not, you WILL wear the uniform as stated. If not you won't have a job.
If it is, in fact, a millennial issue then they will learn soon enough - the hard way. But I don't think it is actually a millennial issue. Rather it is an issue with a few fools who think they can make their own rules. An issue with 20-somethings for generations and not specific to this generation.
I don't care if you are 21 or 61, the image you portray to the traveling public is important which is why airlines push as hard as they do regarding their uniform standard.
Finally, if the employer requires it, whether you like it or not, you WILL wear the uniform as stated. If not you won't have a job.
If it is, in fact, a millennial issue then they will learn soon enough - the hard way. But I don't think it is actually a millennial issue. Rather it is an issue with a few fools who think they can make their own rules. An issue with 20-somethings for generations and not specific to this generation.
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,003
Likes: 0
From: usa
Yes Jebus.....
That's aviation in the 21st century.......
And also the reason why you don't get paid a rock star salary.....
Although I suspect you along with many others believe you're worth twice what you're currently being paid.
It's not as complicated as it was in the last century you know!
That's aviation in the 21st century.......
And also the reason why you don't get paid a rock star salary.....
Although I suspect you along with many others believe you're worth twice what you're currently being paid.
It's not as complicated as it was in the last century you know!
Snapchat crashed?
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 911
Likes: 334
From: uk
millenial aviator...hilarious. I presume that is one that can't fly a plane...I have noticed that the 'millennial aviator' engages the autopilot @ 1,000 feet airborne and disconnects @ 1,000 feet prior to landing. Way to go. Completely concur okc.
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 147
Likes: 0
From: Dubai
Olster,
I'm a 'millennial aviator' and I regularly hand fly up to to 10,000 (as required by company regs), or until the SID has me flying a boring straight line after some turns.
I don't do this to impress the likes of you...I spent years flying busted arse pistons in the bush, to upgrade to ancient turboprops, to finally getting a crack on a 25 year old jet, to moving to baby bus' and then finally the tractor here in the desert.
I fly up to 10,000 (just below it actually), not to impress wankers like you, but to remind myself that I used to be a pilot and to show myself, that given the situation....I could be a pilot again.
Eternity.
On a side note....it's not 10,000 every time.
Sometimes ATC last minute airborne changes, wx etc dictates that it's better to get to autopilot on sooner rather than later to focus more on airspace, wx or profile management.
But failing that, it's handflying for as long as is appropriate, and most certainly not to impress a tosser like Olster....
I'm a 'millennial aviator' and I regularly hand fly up to to 10,000 (as required by company regs), or until the SID has me flying a boring straight line after some turns.
I don't do this to impress the likes of you...I spent years flying busted arse pistons in the bush, to upgrade to ancient turboprops, to finally getting a crack on a 25 year old jet, to moving to baby bus' and then finally the tractor here in the desert.
I fly up to 10,000 (just below it actually), not to impress wankers like you, but to remind myself that I used to be a pilot and to show myself, that given the situation....I could be a pilot again.
Eternity.
On a side note....it's not 10,000 every time.
Sometimes ATC last minute airborne changes, wx etc dictates that it's better to get to autopilot on sooner rather than later to focus more on airspace, wx or profile management.
But failing that, it's handflying for as long as is appropriate, and most certainly not to impress a tosser like Olster....
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,003
Likes: 0
From: usa
Olster,
I'm a 'millennial aviator' and I regularly hand fly up to to 10,000 (as required by company regs), or until the SID has me flying a boring straight line after some turns.
I don't do this to impress the likes of you...I spent years flying busted arse pistons in the bush, to upgrade to ancient turboprops, to finally getting a crack on a 25 year old jet, to moving to baby bus' and then finally the tractor here in the desert.
I fly up to 10,000 (just below it actually), not to impress wankers like you, but to remind myself that I used to be a pilot and to show myself, that given the situation....I could be a pilot again.
Eternity.
On a side note....it's not 10,000 every time.
Sometimes ATC last minute airborne changes, wx etc dictates that it's better to get to autopilot on sooner rather than later to focus more on airspace, wx or profile management.
But failing that, it's handflying for as long as is appropriate, and most certainly not to impress a tosser like Olster....
I'm a 'millennial aviator' and I regularly hand fly up to to 10,000 (as required by company regs), or until the SID has me flying a boring straight line after some turns.
I don't do this to impress the likes of you...I spent years flying busted arse pistons in the bush, to upgrade to ancient turboprops, to finally getting a crack on a 25 year old jet, to moving to baby bus' and then finally the tractor here in the desert.
I fly up to 10,000 (just below it actually), not to impress wankers like you, but to remind myself that I used to be a pilot and to show myself, that given the situation....I could be a pilot again.
Eternity.
On a side note....it's not 10,000 every time.
Sometimes ATC last minute airborne changes, wx etc dictates that it's better to get to autopilot on sooner rather than later to focus more on airspace, wx or profile management.
But failing that, it's handflying for as long as is appropriate, and most certainly not to impress a tosser like Olster....
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 911
Likes: 334
From: uk
It would appear that the ' millennial aviator characteristic is to use offensive language while hiding behind a keyboard. Very brave. Very impressed by your hand flying to 10,000 feet. You condemn yourself with your language on a public forum.
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 763
Likes: 1
From: Monrovia / Liberia
Imho, 'hand flying' is doing it from take-off to landing with everything turned off (no A/P, no A/T, no F/D) and not f'ing any of it up. I did exactly that very recently, i.e. nothing, zero, zilch working for several days and many sectors (a long story behind it, but let's just say that 'we had to go', and so go we did, many times). Basically, my Boeing turned itself into a Seneca powered by gas turbine engines and rather more seats; and you'd be amazed how little you need working but it'll still fly quite nicely (if you've got the skill?!). One day I'll write the book. 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 911
Likes: 334
From: uk
Eternity: either delete your post or repost without the profanity. Moderators: is it ok to use profane language on a public forum? You don't know me so why you think it is ok to swear behind your keyboard in a cowardly manner I don't know. From your profile you were 'turning down ' a Cathay S/O position in 2011 so your experience is probably not as vast as you think. Fwiw I was a Cathay captain (yes, big deal I know) in 1988 and I never spoke to a colleague like that and I doubt whether you would either if face to face. I thought you millennial aces were big on soft skills compared to us dinosaurs? A big over reaction to a semi humorous post.
Back to the thread: if a company expects the uniform to be worn in their way it is probably best to comply. Never a big fan of hats but grudgingly wore it!
Cheers
Back to the thread: if a company expects the uniform to be worn in their way it is probably best to comply. Never a big fan of hats but grudgingly wore it!
Cheers
