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Ties Cut With Qatar

Old 5th Jun 2017, 11:37
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looks like Bahrain follows with a small loop hole of a corridor into Tehran

A0206/17 - FOR FLIGHTS AFFECTED BY NOTAM A0204/17 THE FOLLOWING AWYS ARE
AVBL:
1-UT430 OUTBOUND VIA RAGAS
2-UR659 INBOUND VIA MIDSI. 06 JUN 00:00 2017 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 05 JUN 11:29
2017
A0205/17 - ALL FLT REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF QATAR ARE NOT AUTHORISED TO
OVERFLY BAHRAIN AIRSPACE. 06 JUN 00:00 2017 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 05 JUN 11:22
2017
A0204/17 - NO FLIGHT WILL BE ALLOWED FROM KINGDOM OF BAHRAIN TO STATE OF
QATAR AND FROM STATE OF QATAR TO KINGDOM OF BAHRAIN. 06 JUN 00:00 2017 UNTIL
PERM. CREATED: 05 JUN 11:17 2017
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 11:41
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The way I read that is aircraft registered in other countries can use those airways to reach DOH, all QR registered aircraft will not be allowed.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 11:43
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You might be right
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:04
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Saudi joins in
A0593/17
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:09
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Originally Posted by motojet View Post
That was my question. If Bahrain closes their FIR to Qatar Airways can they make it over to Tehran FIR by staying lower and in the Doha Approach airspace? If not they are boxed in.
It's very complicated.

Qatar does not have its own FIR. The Airspace around Qatar is controlled by Doha Radar up to around FL 250. But this airspace does not extend to the Iranian FIR boundary. Consists of the Airspace above Qatar mainland and extends outwards from there to different ranges. When entering through UAE its directly to Doha or vice versa. Entering through Iran directly North of Qatar its a short stint with Bahrain then over to Doha. Technically speaking Qatar could create it's own FIR but that would take a long time.

So any flight leaving Qatar has to contact either Bahrain, UAE or Jeddah FIR. Technically I suppose Doha Radar could extend its range to the Border of Tehran FIR to the North. But then you would have a condition similar to that in the airspace between Cyprus and Turkey with two separate entities both claiming that they control that airspace.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:10
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Could get very interesting if Iran backs Qatar and closes it's airspace to those countries blocking Qatar ie UAE, SAUDI, BAHRAIN etc.
If you look at the FIR's, Qatar can't get to Iranian airspace without transiting Bahrain, BUT, that is because of the air services agreement in which OBBI handles the area. They could just suspend it and the OHHH FIR would border OIII.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:28
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EK and QR fallout....

Some might suggest this is what happens when you send your top cultural ambassador over the water to help out..... we all knew it would end in tears!
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:34
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Well let's hope it doesn't escalate into a Saudi / Iran conflict.

The last time Iran fell out with a neighbour it lasted 8 years and cost 1,500,000 lives
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:36
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So it looks like my holiday plans in 3 weeks time
from EDI to COL are going down the tubes ?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:38
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Hhm, Mr Trump's vist to Saudi Arabia last week, coincidence?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:39
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Question?

So are we witnessing beginnings of SCATANA?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:42
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This might be a welcome relief for our overworked sectors. If this all pans out the way I hope it does, we might lose around 10% of our traffic and our worst sectors might become manageable again, if only for a short season.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Plank Cap View Post
Some might suggest this is what happens when you send your top cultural ambassador over the water to help out..... we all knew it would end in tears!
I'm sure they could send him back to 'help out'.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:16
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Originally Posted by gatbusdriver View Post
Saudi joins in
A0593/17
As does Egypt
A0202/17
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:37
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11000 US troops in Qatar! Talk about suddenly having your enemy based in your backyard!
If this situation continues in a "stable" manner, this will benefit EK and EY greatly.
The question is whether the travelers will avoid the ME completely.

If it gets a lot worse, all will suffer.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:38
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ME will be the start of WW III.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:43
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No, not enough outside interest. War has been the normal situation in ME since forever.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:46
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Uncle Donald was in Saudi Arabia recently and sold equipment for$$$$$, so the Saudis are the good guys! His aim would be to go after Iran as mentioned during his election campaign. But if you cannot go after the master so you kick his dog, which is Quatar. Let's see what happens next, this is just the beginning........lots of pilots jobs will be lost.....and and and.....
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:51
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So it's all starting here in the ME but does this mean the other countries will follow suite?

Now they all know Qatar have been supporting terrorism will they all ban them from flying to their airport and using their airspace? If not does it mean they condone what they do?

Interesting times for Qatar airways.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 14:00
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Originally Posted by puff m'call View Post
Now they all know Qatar have been supporting terrorism will they all ban them from flying to their airport and using their airspace?
This has been common knowledge since the "Arab Spring".
But it has only escalated since Trump visited Saudi Arabia.

Which in itself is kinda strange, don't you think?
His very first foreign visit after taking office was not to a major ally, such as UK/Germany/NATO, but to Saudi Arabia.
The Europe visit followed.

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