Why do you continue to help EK?
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Why do you continue to help EK?
Even before the latest insults, but now more than ever, why do you continue to ......
Work Days Off?
Work as a Training Captain on a pay as you train basis, rather than on a Training Captain's basic salary? Why doesn't everyone who wants to get into training say no to this new type of 'contract' and then they'd have to pay you properly?! It's not rocket science!
Accept only getting 30 days leave out of your contracted 42 and then selling your leave days for a pittance (Would office staff accept not getting any of their public holidays?)
Work Days Off?
Work as a Training Captain on a pay as you train basis, rather than on a Training Captain's basic salary? Why doesn't everyone who wants to get into training say no to this new type of 'contract' and then they'd have to pay you properly?! It's not rocket science!
Accept only getting 30 days leave out of your contracted 42 and then selling your leave days for a pittance (Would office staff accept not getting any of their public holidays?)
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From: Permanent JET LAGGG
Even better to have a cold one primed when the 708 number rings. Its a great feeling to say NO, take a big gulp, then burp.
But for me that feeling is short lived, because the next bloke will probably say yes, because he will find some reason that benefits himself... money, maybe an additional day off down the line, or "hey, I can take that AD away from you tomorrow".
The problem with the expat pilot group is simple. We are all transient in some shape or form, and we are only in it for ourselves. Unfortunately, solidarity in the pilot group in EK will never be strong.
Anyone ever heard of divide and conquer?
But for me that feeling is short lived, because the next bloke will probably say yes, because he will find some reason that benefits himself... money, maybe an additional day off down the line, or "hey, I can take that AD away from you tomorrow".
The problem with the expat pilot group is simple. We are all transient in some shape or form, and we are only in it for ourselves. Unfortunately, solidarity in the pilot group in EK will never be strong.
Anyone ever heard of divide and conquer?
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Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.
I know a group of Swedish FO's, all connected on Whatsapp, had this happen. One messaged (at 430am) that rostering was calling asking if they wanted a Stockholm trip so be aware. But in this case ANOTHER Swede in the group already had it rostered and was shocked to see them trying to 'give' it to someone else.
I know a group of Swedish FO's, all connected on Whatsapp, had this happen. One messaged (at 430am) that rostering was calling asking if they wanted a Stockholm trip so be aware. But in this case ANOTHER Swede in the group already had it rostered and was shocked to see them trying to 'give' it to someone else.
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or, "it's Bangkok"
"well it is my day off", "I only get 9"
"it is Bangkok"
"what time does it leave?"
"2345"
"that means a pick up around 2130?"
"it is 1730 now, how is it you are calling me now?"
"It's BKK"
"My wife is sitting right here, let me ask her if I can go"
click.
"well it is my day off", "I only get 9"
"it is Bangkok"
"what time does it leave?"
"2345"
"that means a pick up around 2130?"
"it is 1730 now, how is it you are calling me now?"
"It's BKK"
"My wife is sitting right here, let me ask her if I can go"
click.
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Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.
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From: LHR
Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.
I know a group of Swedish FO's, all connected on Whatsapp, had this happen. One messaged (at 430am) that rostering was calling asking if they wanted a Stockholm trip so be aware. But in this case ANOTHER Swede in the group already had it rostered and was shocked to see them trying to 'give' it to someone else.
I know a group of Swedish FO's, all connected on Whatsapp, had this happen. One messaged (at 430am) that rostering was calling asking if they wanted a Stockholm trip so be aware. But in this case ANOTHER Swede in the group already had it rostered and was shocked to see them trying to 'give' it to someone else.
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That would all depend on whether it was one of your legal days off. Contractually, we are required to have days off at base, not down route. The new freighter contract breaks this norm.
If it was not one of the legal days off, they can of course change it. If they didn't have this flexibility the Company would cover its arse and give us only the legal number each month replacing the extras with AD's and STBY duties. That would be a blow to all those 380 boys and girls with their 15-16 OFF each month.
In fairness to EK, being asked to work over days off is rare anyway.
Harry
If it was not one of the legal days off, they can of course change it. If they didn't have this flexibility the Company would cover its arse and give us only the legal number each month replacing the extras with AD's and STBY duties. That would be a blow to all those 380 boys and girls with their 15-16 OFF each month.
In fairness to EK, being asked to work over days off is rare anyway.
Harry
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Cloud Bunny - rostering is short a pilot for a trip somewhere (possibly a less than desirable destination). They know many guys won't come in on days off for the lousy call out pay. So they look at their pilot body and think...hmmmm.... we have a Brazillian (or insert any other country) who would probably like to go home. So they call him and offer him the trip to his home country (which is currently filled by another pilot). If he says YES, they give hom the flight and rearrange the other pilots roster to cover the initial (usually crappy) flight.
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From: LHR
Cloud Bunny - rostering is short a pilot for a trip somewhere (possibly a less than desirable destination). They know many guys won't come in on days off for the lousy call out pay. So they look at their pilot body and think...hmmmm.... we have a Brazillian (or insert any other country) who would probably like to go home. So they call him and offer him the trip to his home country (which is currently filled by another pilot). If he says YES, they give hom the flight and rearrange the other pilots roster to cover the initial (usually crappy) flight.
But I'm not surprised by anything round here anymore!!