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Why do you continue to help EK?

Old 14th May 2017, 14:51
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Why do you continue to help EK?

Even before the latest insults, but now more than ever, why do you continue to ......

Work Days Off?

Work as a Training Captain on a pay as you train basis, rather than on a Training Captain's basic salary? Why doesn't everyone who wants to get into training say no to this new type of 'contract' and then they'd have to pay you properly?! It's not rocket science!

Accept only getting 30 days leave out of your contracted 42 and then selling your leave days for a pittance (Would office staff accept not getting any of their public holidays?)
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Old 14th May 2017, 17:22
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wanna know why?

because we, humans, are stupid, selfish and greedy.
and we, pilots, are humans.

and that's why.
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:10
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KippaLippa you are spot on and unfortunately right , we are the worse bunch of selfish breed I have seen in all my life....
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:46
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This all is getting as dull as the FIFO narrative.....

Why don't you okes rather start a thread on where to get the best HJ in Asia.....
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:16
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Originally Posted by Kennytheking View Post
This all is getting as dull as the FIFO narrative.....

Why don't you okes rather start a thread on where to get the best HJ in Asia.....
FIFO = First In First Out
HJ = Hand Job

no understand you
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:31
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Originally Posted by Kennytheking View Post
This all is getting as dull as the FIFO narrative.....

Why don't you okes rather start a thread on where to get the best HJ in Asia.....

Is that because you like working Days Off or on a Pay as you Train basis?
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:59
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Is that because you like working Days Off or on a Pay as you Train basis?
Haha....nice try. Fortunately I don't care enough to get baited into a flight.
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Old 16th May 2017, 03:08
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It feels good to say"NO" when they call
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Old 16th May 2017, 07:04
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Even better to have a cold one primed when the 708 number rings. Its a great feeling to say NO, take a big gulp, then burp.

But for me that feeling is short lived, because the next bloke will probably say yes, because he will find some reason that benefits himself... money, maybe an additional day off down the line, or "hey, I can take that AD away from you tomorrow".

The problem with the expat pilot group is simple. We are all transient in some shape or form, and we are only in it for ourselves. Unfortunately, solidarity in the pilot group in EK will never be strong.

Anyone ever heard of divide and conquer?
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Old 16th May 2017, 10:18
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don't worry Chipotle, pilots don't show solidarity anywhere.
we belong to that part of humanity which is more individualistic.

don't have expectations. you'd be pleasantly surprised, may be.
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Old 16th May 2017, 11:46
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Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.

I know a group of Swedish FO's, all connected on Whatsapp, had this happen. One messaged (at 430am) that rostering was calling asking if they wanted a Stockholm trip so be aware. But in this case ANOTHER Swede in the group already had it rostered and was shocked to see them trying to 'give' it to someone else.
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Old 16th May 2017, 12:47
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or, "it's Bangkok"

"well it is my day off", "I only get 9"

"it is Bangkok"

"what time does it leave?"

"2345"

"that means a pick up around 2130?"
"it is 1730 now, how is it you are calling me now?"

"It's BKK"

"My wife is sitting right here, let me ask her if I can go"

click.
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Old 16th May 2017, 13:24
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Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.
Thats naughty !!!
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Old 16th May 2017, 14:04
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Rostering is not so dumb either. They often call certain nationalities offering a trip 'home'. If accepted they then swap the originally rostered pilot with the 'accepting' one and give the first pilot another trip.

I know a group of Swedish FO's, all connected on Whatsapp, had this happen. One messaged (at 430am) that rostering was calling asking if they wanted a Stockholm trip so be aware. But in this case ANOTHER Swede in the group already had it rostered and was shocked to see them trying to 'give' it to someone else.
Why on earth would they do that? Seems completely pointless. Or have I read that wrong?
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Old 16th May 2017, 15:32
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Is it mandatory to pick up the call from rostering on a day off?
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Old 16th May 2017, 16:32
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That would all depend on whether it was one of your legal days off. Contractually, we are required to have days off at base, not down route. The new freighter contract breaks this norm.

If it was not one of the legal days off, they can of course change it. If they didn't have this flexibility the Company would cover its arse and give us only the legal number each month replacing the extras with AD's and STBY duties. That would be a blow to all those 380 boys and girls with their 15-16 OFF each month.

In fairness to EK, being asked to work over days off is rare anyway.

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Old 16th May 2017, 16:44
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Cloud Bunny - rostering is short a pilot for a trip somewhere (possibly a less than desirable destination). They know many guys won't come in on days off for the lousy call out pay. So they look at their pilot body and think...hmmmm.... we have a Brazillian (or insert any other country) who would probably like to go home. So they call him and offer him the trip to his home country (which is currently filled by another pilot). If he says YES, they give hom the flight and rearrange the other pilots roster to cover the initial (usually crappy) flight.
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Old 16th May 2017, 16:57
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Cloud Bunny - rostering is short a pilot for a trip somewhere (possibly a less than desirable destination). They know many guys won't come in on days off for the lousy call out pay. So they look at their pilot body and think...hmmmm.... we have a Brazillian (or insert any other country) who would probably like to go home. So they call him and offer him the trip to his home country (which is currently filled by another pilot). If he says YES, they give hom the flight and rearrange the other pilots roster to cover the initial (usually crappy) flight.
Blimey. Having worked in crewing that still seems like a lot of work they are creating for themselves when they have RSV guys who, as we know when we are on it, have to do as they are told!
But I'm not surprised by anything round here anymore!!
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Old 16th May 2017, 16:59
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Quick fix for times when they run short on RSV. I know several weeks ago they were begging office/training dept pilots to fly on short notice.
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Old 16th May 2017, 17:43
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Well, in my opinion, anyone who works a day off, joins the training department on a pay as you train basis, sells their leave, etc, etc has no reason to complain when Emirates treats us the way they do.

What did you think was going to happen?

You're basically pulling your pants down and bending over to pick up the soap and we're all getting [email protected], not just you.

I hope it was worth it because you're contributing to them being able to give us no pay rise, which leads to no increase in our provident fund contributions, no increase in education allowance, whilst increasing our monthly medical insurance premiums, stopping us opting out of company accommodation, etc, etc.

All at a time when it's becoming more expensive to live in Dubai (Car Insurance increases, VAT being introduced next year, schools putting their fees up 4% year on year). I could go on and on.

Imagine if you'd all said "No"
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