Electronic Carry-on ban (inc. UAE)
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2000
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Electronic Carry-on ban (inc. UAE)
It appears this has just been announced this evening. Best leave those laptops in your checked baggage it appears.
BY ALICIA A. CALDWELL AND DAVID KOENIG
Associated Press
The U.S. government is temporarily barring passengers on certain flights originating in eight other countries from bringing laptops, iPads, cameras and most other electronics in carry-on luggage starting Tuesday.
The reason for the ban was not immediately clear. U.S. security officials would not comment. The ban was revealed Monday in statements from Royal Jordanian Airlines and the official news agency of Saudi Arabia.
A U.S. official told The Associated Press the ban will apply to nonstop flights to the U.S. from 10 international airports serving the cities of Cairo in Egypt; Amman in Jordan; Kuwait City in Kuwait; Casablanca in Morocco; Doha in Qatar; Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia; Istanbul in Turkey; and Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. The ban was indefinite, said the official.
A second U.S. official said the ban will affect nine airlines in total, and the Transportation Security Administration will inform the affected airlines at 3 a.m. Eastern time Tuesday.
The officials were not authorized to disclose the details of the ban ahead of a public announcement and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Royal Jordanian said cellphones and medical devices were excluded from the ban. Everything else, the airline said, would need to be packed in checked luggage. Royal Jordanian said the electronics ban affects its flights to New York, Chicago, Detroit and Montreal.
David Lapan, a spokesman for Homeland Security Department, declined to comment. The Transportation Security Administration, part of Homeland Security, also declined to comment.
A U.S. government official said such a ban has been considered for several weeks. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose the internal security discussions by the federal government.
Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly phoned lawmakers over the weekend to brief them on aviation security issues that have prompted the impending electronics ban, according a congressional aide briefed on the discussion. The aide was not authorized to speak publicly about the issue and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
The ban would begin just before Wednesday's meeting of the U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State group in Washington. A number of top Arab officials were expected to attend the State Department gathering. It was unclear whether their travel plans were related to any increased worry about security threats.
Brian Jenkins, an aviation-security expert at the Rand Corp., said the nature of the security measure suggested that it was driven by intelligence of a possible attack. He added that there could be concern about inadequate passenger screening or even conspiracies involving insiders — airport or airline employees — in some countries.
Another aviation-security expert, professor Jeffrey Price of Metropolitan State University of Denver, said there were disadvantages to having everyone put their electronics in checked baggage. Thefts from baggage would skyrocket, as when Britain tried a similar ban in 2006, he said, and some laptops have batteries that can catch fire — an event easier to detect in the cabin than in the cargo hold.
Most major airports in the United States have a computer tomography or CT scanner for checked baggage, which creates a detailed picture of a bag's contents. They can warn an operator of potentially dangerous material, and may provide better security than the X-ray machines used to screen passengers and their carry-on bags. All checked baggage must be screened for explosives.
Associated Press
The U.S. government is temporarily barring passengers on certain flights originating in eight other countries from bringing laptops, iPads, cameras and most other electronics in carry-on luggage starting Tuesday.
The reason for the ban was not immediately clear. U.S. security officials would not comment. The ban was revealed Monday in statements from Royal Jordanian Airlines and the official news agency of Saudi Arabia.
A U.S. official told The Associated Press the ban will apply to nonstop flights to the U.S. from 10 international airports serving the cities of Cairo in Egypt; Amman in Jordan; Kuwait City in Kuwait; Casablanca in Morocco; Doha in Qatar; Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia; Istanbul in Turkey; and Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. The ban was indefinite, said the official.
A second U.S. official said the ban will affect nine airlines in total, and the Transportation Security Administration will inform the affected airlines at 3 a.m. Eastern time Tuesday.
The officials were not authorized to disclose the details of the ban ahead of a public announcement and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Royal Jordanian said cellphones and medical devices were excluded from the ban. Everything else, the airline said, would need to be packed in checked luggage. Royal Jordanian said the electronics ban affects its flights to New York, Chicago, Detroit and Montreal.
David Lapan, a spokesman for Homeland Security Department, declined to comment. The Transportation Security Administration, part of Homeland Security, also declined to comment.
A U.S. government official said such a ban has been considered for several weeks. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose the internal security discussions by the federal government.
Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly phoned lawmakers over the weekend to brief them on aviation security issues that have prompted the impending electronics ban, according a congressional aide briefed on the discussion. The aide was not authorized to speak publicly about the issue and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
The ban would begin just before Wednesday's meeting of the U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State group in Washington. A number of top Arab officials were expected to attend the State Department gathering. It was unclear whether their travel plans were related to any increased worry about security threats.
Brian Jenkins, an aviation-security expert at the Rand Corp., said the nature of the security measure suggested that it was driven by intelligence of a possible attack. He added that there could be concern about inadequate passenger screening or even conspiracies involving insiders — airport or airline employees — in some countries.
Another aviation-security expert, professor Jeffrey Price of Metropolitan State University of Denver, said there were disadvantages to having everyone put their electronics in checked baggage. Thefts from baggage would skyrocket, as when Britain tried a similar ban in 2006, he said, and some laptops have batteries that can catch fire — an event easier to detect in the cabin than in the cargo hold.
Most major airports in the United States have a computer tomography or CT scanner for checked baggage, which creates a detailed picture of a bag's contents. They can warn an operator of potentially dangerous material, and may provide better security than the X-ray machines used to screen passengers and their carry-on bags. All checked baggage must be screened for explosives.
Last edited by Dune; 21st Mar 2017 at 03:10.
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Seems as well planned as the Travel Ban. Would be curious to see the risk analysis done when you will potentially now have hundreds of Li batteries in the cargo holds of each and every flight against the chances of an errant terrorist evading security and successfully detonating a laptop bomb and how are they certain that it couldn't be somehow smuggled onto a plane from other departure points in Europe/Asia etc. Interesting times ahead at check-in and security.
Last edited by MFALK; 21st Mar 2017 at 06:46. Reason: Accuracy
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Back in the real world
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Does this feel like the opening salvo of a war on the ME3 and THY conveniently disguised as a security brief that can't be discussed, and since it only applies to foreign carriers, won't have to be?
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: on earth
Posts: 301
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MFALK
You are wrong , LI batteries are allowed in luggage loaded in the cargo holds as long as they are part of the device ( laptop , mobile phone etc... )
We transport everyday cargo boxes full of mobiles phones with their LI batteries inside in our cargo holds and we are not approved to transport Dangerous goods.
This is totally legal and accepted by ICAO.
Is it safe ? that's another question but it is legal...
You are wrong , LI batteries are allowed in luggage loaded in the cargo holds as long as they are part of the device ( laptop , mobile phone etc... )
We transport everyday cargo boxes full of mobiles phones with their LI batteries inside in our cargo holds and we are not approved to transport Dangerous goods.
This is totally legal and accepted by ICAO.
Is it safe ? that's another question but it is legal...
Royal Jordanian said cellphones and medical devices were excluded from the ban. Everything else, the airline said, would need to be packed in checked luggage. Royal Jordanian said the electronics ban affects its flights to New York, Chicago, Detroit and Montreal.
And still no guidance from the bouncy castle haha, I wonder what about bizjet flights? especially those that can access the bag hold in flight.
Easy to get round as a pax if you are going to NYC, just hop on the ATH-EWR or MXP-JFK.
Easy to get round as a pax if you are going to NYC, just hop on the ATH-EWR or MXP-JFK.
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Doctor's waiting room
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's effective on the 25th March based on information from the EK website, so it still gives them a little time to inform us and how it will affect us as crew.
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Gusting49
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
....A U.S. official told The Associated Press the ban will apply to nonstop flights to the U.S. from 10 international airports serving the cities of Cairo in Egypt; Amman in Jordan; Kuwait City in Kuwait; Casablanca in Morocco; Doha in Qatar; Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia; Istanbul in Turkey; and Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. The ban was indefinite, said the official...
Does this apply to the airports or the airlines? I mean what's the case for a pax taking i.e HYD-DXB-JFK or a similiar route starting "out of the box" or which airport is responsible for a damaged laptop due to handling etc etc...
Total non sense in to make the story short...
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Behind you
Age: 76
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: in the world
Posts: 435
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Sand pit
Age: 54
Posts: 460
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just doesn't seem to be well thought out.
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Doctor's waiting room
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If someone transits through Europe then they will be subject to the screening process again during the transit. This new ruling is a pretty damming indictment of how inadequate security is viewed at the airports affected. However with what we see with our own eyes in this part of the world, are we really that surprised?
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: UAE
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There is a long history where US carriers are asking the Government to boycott Gulf Carriers.
Now here it is the solution.
Now is the Gulf Carriers to move ahead, as nobody will sent his own computer or expensive Camera gears into a checked luggage. Unless they will provide a sort of compensation for free: Insurance with full coverage in case of loss or damage, increase of checked baggage allowance and so on.
I am sorry to totally disagree with 4runner. This is an economic ban, not a security matter. Is to allow US carriers to pick up passengers from Europe and bring in the US. So if the danger is a laptop or camera in the passenger cabin, I cannot understand how they can prevent it.
I can Fly from Doha or Dubai to any point in Europe, and then take a US carrier and fly in NYC. What is the difference? And what about the return sector?
And I cannot understand also the move of UK now.
Now here it is the solution.
Now is the Gulf Carriers to move ahead, as nobody will sent his own computer or expensive Camera gears into a checked luggage. Unless they will provide a sort of compensation for free: Insurance with full coverage in case of loss or damage, increase of checked baggage allowance and so on.
I am sorry to totally disagree with 4runner. This is an economic ban, not a security matter. Is to allow US carriers to pick up passengers from Europe and bring in the US. So if the danger is a laptop or camera in the passenger cabin, I cannot understand how they can prevent it.
I can Fly from Doha or Dubai to any point in Europe, and then take a US carrier and fly in NYC. What is the difference? And what about the return sector?
And I cannot understand also the move of UK now.
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Doctor's waiting room
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Many hold luggage scanning machines are automated with them being far more complex and sophisticated than the machines used to screen hand luggage, many of which are still solely reliant on the person who is monitoring the machine to decide what maybe a threat and what is not.
The weak link of the chain here seems to be the passenger screening process and by putting the potential threat into the hold, this takes away this weak link: the operator who is screening hand luggage.
The difference in robustness of passenger screening at many of these affected airports is very visible when compared to the likes of FRA and AMS etc. Perhaps this is why transit passengers are not affected, as they will be subject to what is deemed to be a more intensive body and hand luggage screening process during their transit.
The weak link of the chain here seems to be the passenger screening process and by putting the potential threat into the hold, this takes away this weak link: the operator who is screening hand luggage.
The difference in robustness of passenger screening at many of these affected airports is very visible when compared to the likes of FRA and AMS etc. Perhaps this is why transit passengers are not affected, as they will be subject to what is deemed to be a more intensive body and hand luggage screening process during their transit.