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We no longer fly a go around, "we carry out a go around procedure"!
The clues are subtle: One involves thrust, attitude, performance and making sure the aircraft is flying before doing other tasks. The other involves pressing buttons and pulling levers in the right order.
There in a nutshell is where the industry has moved to and why airmanship and flying are a diminishing resource. The bean counters hope that they can find cheap button pushers rather than expensive, exotic aviators.
Asiana, Turkish, TransAsia, AirAsia, Emirates...aircraft used to kill pilots, now "button pushers" kill aircraft!
The clues are subtle: One involves thrust, attitude, performance and making sure the aircraft is flying before doing other tasks. The other involves pressing buttons and pulling levers in the right order.
There in a nutshell is where the industry has moved to and why airmanship and flying are a diminishing resource. The bean counters hope that they can find cheap button pushers rather than expensive, exotic aviators.
Asiana, Turkish, TransAsia, AirAsia, Emirates...aircraft used to kill pilots, now "button pushers" kill aircraft!
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Years ago when first arriving here, I had to reengage the autopilot after a disconnect around 20k. I received a letter from the third floor reminding me of the official policy about autopilot usage. Along with the "reminder" I was told that we do not fly aircraft anymore, but are now managers of the aircraft. I kid you not, that is a direct quote. Oh and also this little gem stating that further disregard of the FOM (OM-A) would result in.....blah blah blah.
The best experience is where one has made mistakes, owned up to them, reviewed them and learned from them.
The best experience is where one has made mistakes, owned up to them, reviewed them and learned from them.
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A simple procedure or practise of guarding the controls during approach would have avoided the accident. The very advantage of the Boeing ! I believe none of them had their hands on the Thrust levers. Trusting the automation entirely is increasingly contributing to many accidents.
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Flyboy_SG, One would hope that no matter type of aircraft you fly, guarding the controls at critical stages of flight SHOULD be as natural as breathing.
Flown both Boeing and Airbus and there are arguments for and against the way they operate.
However I totally agree with your statement about trusting the automation.
Flown both Boeing and Airbus and there are arguments for and against the way they operate.
However I totally agree with your statement about trusting the automation.
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Excellent post!
As a young nut myself, I can fully agree with the words written here.
Sadly, these days guys are paying there way onto an A380/777 within 3 years of flying after walking away from those bandits at CTC/OAA to name but a few. Pay up you £90k, spend 2 years on your local LCC, (EasyJet, Ryanair, Norwegian, Jetstar, you know the type, "you only touch the sidestick/yoke in an emergency". Then you've done the minimum required hours, and jump on a shiny big jet!
My flight instructor when I was 18 always used to tell me "ego and complaceny kills people"
As a young nut myself, I can fully agree with the words written here.
Sadly, these days guys are paying there way onto an A380/777 within 3 years of flying after walking away from those bandits at CTC/OAA to name but a few. Pay up you £90k, spend 2 years on your local LCC, (EasyJet, Ryanair, Norwegian, Jetstar, you know the type, "you only touch the sidestick/yoke in an emergency". Then you've done the minimum required hours, and jump on a shiny big jet!
My flight instructor when I was 18 always used to tell me "ego and complaceny kills people"
