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Old 18th Aug 2016, 10:37
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EK Overseas Bases

I know this subject has been well and truly discussed previously.However, with the tides turning and the attrition rates continuing to rise. A possible solution to stem the exodus would be to offer EU / US / Aus / SA / CM pilot bases.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 10:50
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Absolutely, it would be an easy fix to slow the attrition and potentially pull some pilots out of the majors from around the world, but Dubai Inc would have none of it.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 10:59
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Seeing is believing !!
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 11:26
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Nice topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9fb1F4swk
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 11:32
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That would be almost the same as admitting some people would rather live at home than in Dubai. For that reason alone it will never happen.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 15:24
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Got to admit I do not understand this thing about overseas basing.
First off it's not going to happen.
Second EK would not increase the salary to cover your tax bill and certain things like housing/schooling etc would be liable for tax, hence further reducing your monthly pot.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 15:32
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Even if they did offer overseas bases it would be based on the reverse rostering principle. I would also guess that they would not pay schooling or housing and most certainly wouldn't give a crap about your tax 'status'. That would be your responsibility.

Anyway, won't happen anyway.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 15:53
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Best to hope for would be part time , 50% rosters
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 16:19
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Never going to happen due to foreign labour laws.
However, they should consider "reverse rostering" in the style of China Southern. Still DXB based, but you go on a 4 to 5 day layover to your base of choice, fly through DXB to somewhere else, followed by another 4-5 day layover at your base.
Easy to do with our network......
That combined with part time.......yeah, I know, keep dreaming.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 18:41
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... and then they have to follow foreign law and unions
keep on dreaming
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 19:59
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Unions and foreign employment law would not be applicable if you were reversed rostered, as you would still be based in DXB.

You just happen to have regular days off at home, which is no different to what it was like in the good old days!
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 20:55
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I don't think European, North American or Australasian taxation authorities, to name a few, would agree that you are Dubai resident when reverse rostered.
Who'd take a 40% pay cut to commute to Dubai??
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 21:01
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Maybe not to Dubai, but ask any Canadian working for Korean how it felt when the bilateral agreement between Seoul and Ottawa as not renewed. Ouch.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 22:11
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Base

Anybody who realizes how much most employees of ek give back to the hand the salaries come from, will not ask if overseas basings will be an option. At least 30% of the GDP of the uae comes from suckers like me.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 23:17
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It's just not going to happen.

Cathay have proved it doesn't work from an airlines point of view.

EK dealing with Japanese ground staff starting a union.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 23:36
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A horror scenario for the Dubai real estate market....
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 03:12
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It sorta works for Cathay, but their problem was that the bases were initially not set up correctly due to their usual modus operandi of arrogance and incompetence.

I am based and I fly my contracted hours without costing them housing and education. I am also called out regularly off Reserve on the base.

Having said that, there have been no new openings in my base port for the better part of a decade. There has been a trickle at others, but in any case CX will never officially deny that bases are finished, as the carrot to try and sucker new joiners into the airline on its ever-decreasing package. But now the HKG package for them is so cheap, with minimal housing, there is no incentive to provide bases to the young SJS demographic, who are joining in droves.

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Old 19th Aug 2016, 06:54
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Reverse rostering, Basings and part time work can work. You're employed out of Dubai on a "temporary posting", therefore unions would not be applicable.

As for tax, that's your problem, this one's simple, if you're going to lose money by paying tax,just don't sign up to it, you can't have it both ways!!
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 06:57
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... and then they have to follow foreign law and unions
Like with the local airport staff and engineers?
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 08:35
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The local airline staff and engineers are employed in that country, pilots are employed ex DXB, there is a huge difference!
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