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Two set crew ULH max hours

Old 17th Aug 2016, 18:56
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Two set crew ULH max hours

How long they can go on discretion. EK239(A6-ECO) On 8/17/16 STD 3:30 GST, ATD 4:26 GST, diversion to KEF and reaching BOS at 14:38 EDT.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 19:01
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Once again in English please...
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 20:16
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19 hours 8 minutes from STD to chocks on?!
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 20:16
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No discretion on ULRs
22 hrs MAX duty
BOS check-in is at 0155 LT + 22 hrs MAX = 2355 LT (1555 BOS time) perfectly legal
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 20:27
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 14:30
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Originally Posted by 777-200LR View Post
No discretion on ULRs
22 hrs MAX duty
BOS check-in is at 0155 LT + 22 hrs MAX = 2355 LT (1555 BOS time) perfectly legal
"In extraordinary circumstances and with agreement of the Fleet Chief Pilot, the limitations may be waived"
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 15:29
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Oceanic,

Are you willing to put your license on the line when you finally land in BOS and the FAA are waiting to ask you why you have been on duty for 26 hours??

Coming back into DXB, its a completely different story
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 21:14
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No it's not ��

Coming back you're unacclimatised. Explain that in a US court ��
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 22:20
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F.ck

Guys seriously, 22 hrs thats it. Not worth 100 replies, just dump it in okbk and fly bizz home. All the people 'promised' to support yr run into the gcaa office will be busy. Draw the line, stand yr ground.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 23:23
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Let's get the FAA this one checked,
Interesting to find out their opinion

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Old 19th Aug 2016, 04:59
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I wouldn't go a minute over the 22 hour limit, just pointing out how ridiculous it is that there is further wriggle room in the provision. A few years back (340-500 )flight a colleague (who is now happily retired) refused to go into discetion out of Dubai to JFK and was promptly marched into the Chief Pilots office to be told he was not a 'team player'. The 3 other pilots went, & the flight diverted. Never heard anything from Fleet about his refusal after that.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 14:18
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If the plan is a crew of 4, surely you can't leave with 3? Note... "planned crew of 4".
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Old 21st Aug 2016, 03:34
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Talparc,

The FAA have audited EK a few times with the ULR plan in the book. It's still there. So they don't seem to have a problem with it.
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Old 21st Aug 2016, 05:13
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Talparc, give it a rest.
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Old 21st Aug 2016, 08:16
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EK449 AKL-DXB diverted to DPS last night (presumably due to a medical emergency). That's added time onto an already long duty!

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Old 21st Aug 2016, 23:42
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"planned crew of 4"
"Planned" means it's been rostered with 4 pilots not that it can't be done with 3 in case of a contingency.
The sector has to be shorter than 15 hrs though.

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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 05:35
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The GCAA regs quote a ULR flight as a "city to city" agreement. If you divert from your planned "city" surely the ULR duty times no longer apply ?
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 07:40
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"Except for unplanned diversion" , there has been plenty of medical "gas and go " diversions on ULRs
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 10:47
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The DPS diversion on the 449 last week shows up as 'only' 16:42 all up so it must have been a very quick stop to offload the sick pax
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 11:38
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Zohar,

I wasn't clear, my bad.

If the plan is 4 crew, you can't leave DXB with 3?

The return is debatably different
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