EK 777 Freighter-Dedicated Crew
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How can anybody decide to go for this option without all the information needed to make that decision.
Just be aware that the holes in the info we got will be filled with unpleasant stuffing.
They never fail to disappoint.
Just be aware that the holes in the info we got will be filled with unpleasant stuffing.
They never fail to disappoint.
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If you have any doubts then just pass on it. Simple.if it has to go reverse seniority so be it. Those junior will have no choice and do their two years. I foresee all new hires and upgrades going freighter
Sure- but then the fleet requiring "special expertise" ends up with the least experienced crews- seems a little bass-ackward!!!
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A final piece of advice
Just make sure that those who are making these promises of T's and C's (5 days and one week of reserve etc etc).......................................buy you dinner first!!!
Good luck on to those who will take this fork................... In the road to perceived happiness.
Good luck on to those who will take this fork................... In the road to perceived happiness.
Going by car to work chats I think they will. Fellas getting all gooey about this.
You can tell a Boeing pilot...but you cant tell them much.
You can tell a Boeing pilot...but you cant tell them much.
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The carrot is the five days off in a row each month plus significantly less time spent forward of the flight deck door.
It's a sad state of affairs when colleagues feel that the inevitable roster disruption along with walking into a unknown entity, is a price that's worth paying.
It's a sad state of affairs when colleagues feel that the inevitable roster disruption along with walking into a unknown entity, is a price that's worth paying.
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Its staggering within 8 years we have had the length of a string of days off be restricted, for no operational reason AT ALL. Do do your 78 hours plus any overtime and the rest off. I remember having 21 days off in a few months and a regular 16-18 days. Then the 7 days limit was brought in, Lazy Pilots!!, then 6, then 5, now 3.
And supposedly the 9th floor have no idea why the "peasants" are revolting!
Now the teeny tiny carrot of a 5 day string is luring those of us desperate for any kind of Quality of Life into an unknown situation with the only "expectation" of a 5 day string and 8 days in Dubai.
How low have we fallen?
Sigh.
And supposedly the 9th floor have no idea why the "peasants" are revolting!
Now the teeny tiny carrot of a 5 day string is luring those of us desperate for any kind of Quality of Life into an unknown situation with the only "expectation" of a 5 day string and 8 days in Dubai.
How low have we fallen?
Sigh.
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Contrary to what Don says, i have yet to meet one 777 driver who wants this, I am sure they exist. I have heard some Scandi drivers like the idea of days off in CPH. Fair enough, but what if that should suddenly change, commercial pressures, better profit on other routes.3 days in DAC, yummy Be careful what you wish for!
Well, the e-mail has arrived as expected, they obviously did NOT get enough take them up on the superb offer
So they have done a question and answer session, calmly reassuring your worries. 
Ordinarily I like the freighter flying on the 777, once in a while. But 2 years on the thing, no thanks. Make it 6 months yes, maybe a year. 2 years no thanks.
Good luck to all the junior guys going on the freighter
SyB
Well, the e-mail has arrived as expected, they obviously did NOT get enough take them up on the superb offer
So they have done a question and answer session, calmly reassuring your worries. Ordinarily I like the freighter flying on the 777, once in a while. But 2 years on the thing, no thanks. Make it 6 months yes, maybe a year. 2 years no thanks.
Good luck to all the junior guys going on the freighter
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Deadline extended to the 24th and emails sent with a lot more details of package.
Can't imagine that would have been forthcoming if the response was overwhelming.
If you do go - keep that email and never delete it.
I think AAS means well - but then again so did HD and his promised age of open comms & monthly Fleet Forums 🤔
Can't imagine that would have been forthcoming if the response was overwhelming.
If you do go - keep that email and never delete it.
I think AAS means well - but then again so did HD and his promised age of open comms & monthly Fleet Forums 🤔
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If you believe one word of the utter BS these guys try to sell you about what will be promised then you haven't been paying attention. Speak to any guy who was promised a great schedule and 2 years only, to fly the 319, how that worked out. Speak to any of the 330 capts being downgraded. You will not be released after 2 years unless there is a replacement and once it's figured out how crap it is no one will be volunteering. Good luck with your choice
Get a written contract
E mails are worthless ! Should you choose to take up this freighter only offer a written contract outlining conditions is a must .. Only then do you have a chance ( albeit a rather limited one ) of recourse !
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Im considering this freighter deal but as of yet haven't pulled the trigger on it.....As Im on the 777 fleet can anyone enlighten me on what happened to the 319 drivers ?
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Well if the cut-off date is the 20th, and you receive this email the day before.....what does that tell you?
It's my understanding that the seats behind the cockpit are classified as biz class, no? Well what's to keep them from DH you on those? Just a Q to colleagues who envision 200 hrs cuddled in Biz or FC on mainfleet....if your trip starts with a DH why not send you with the freight
I have friends who have years of freighter experience......without SOLID rules you would not believe the crap that has been tried on them....shocking
It's my understanding that the seats behind the cockpit are classified as biz class, no? Well what's to keep them from DH you on those? Just a Q to colleagues who envision 200 hrs cuddled in Biz or FC on mainfleet....if your trip starts with a DH why not send you with the freight
I have friends who have years of freighter experience......without SOLID rules you would not believe the crap that has been tried on them....shocking
A possibility ?
The freighter operation will become a separate entity with different terms & conditions from mainline , just like SQ , CX et al . Should you not have an individual contract clearly stating these terms and the return to the pax operation , seniority & requirements for upgrade etc + compensation for breach of contract . The fact is you may well find yourself trapped in a totally different company . Cynical perhaps ? This is a chance to avoid being conned , pls think carefully . History has a tendency to repeat itself here . See previous posts !
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Hula, the 319 guys were also told 2 years, when the rostering and rules were changed from the original deal to a much more company biased one people wanted to bail at the 2 year mark. Sorry guys no replacements for your position you will have to stay until we can con (whoops) find a replacement. Who really wants to go to a niche op with even less protections than where they are at already.