AAR invitation for an informal meeting
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Glo, I'm not so sure about that. If (God forbid!) something bad is gonna happen here, they cannot say anymore they didn't know about all the bad things here. Wishful thinking maybe but perhaps a start...
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Shocking.
I am soooooooo glad I decided to join Ryanair and did not went for the EK interview. Had really bad feelings about them and the TO's and your post just confirmed that.
Horrible. And very sad. How to kill a once very good airline for pilots.
Shocking.
I am soooooooo glad I decided to join Ryanair and did not went for the EK interview. Had really bad feelings about them and the TO's and your post just confirmed that.
Horrible. And very sad. How to kill a once very good airline for pilots.
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Simply put, when has there "ever" been a meeting with pilots when it has benefitted the pilot community? I was there at the last meeting over 10 years ago (Meridien) which was never repeated. The pilots were always courteous and yet when honest questions were asked, the issues were always avoided. There has never been another meeting since (until now), to save face I would guess?
Meetings by management are for their benefit so that they feel they are addressing the problem right at source and can say they have been "managing". The problem then is that it takes a day of someone's free time to attend to be told what is mostly a meeting of one sided information flow. They might listen but rarely ever act on any suggestions from the pilot community. In all the meetings I have ever been to, concerns are raised and the issue never tackled or addressed from on high.
If this meeting was genuinely for the benefit of the pilot community, it would have been broadcast to let everyone know, not just a "select" few. I have my suspicions about the reasons or outcomes of such a meeting.
J
Meetings by management are for their benefit so that they feel they are addressing the problem right at source and can say they have been "managing". The problem then is that it takes a day of someone's free time to attend to be told what is mostly a meeting of one sided information flow. They might listen but rarely ever act on any suggestions from the pilot community. In all the meetings I have ever been to, concerns are raised and the issue never tackled or addressed from on high.
If this meeting was genuinely for the benefit of the pilot community, it would have been broadcast to let everyone know, not just a "select" few. I have my suspicions about the reasons or outcomes of such a meeting.
J
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Slight thread creep but the GCAA may be under more scrutiny IF some of the rumours about FZ rostering and practises are a factor in this:
Dozens feared dead in Russia air crash - BBC News
Dozens feared dead in Russia air crash - BBC News
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How many of you have actually met AAR? Are you speculating based on rumours? Those of you who are called for the meeting, why don't you take the opportunity to get to know him first before making any speculations. May it is just an opportunity for you to open up and have discussion about what you are moaning about on this forum. Man up!
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It's tempting and very easy to assume that nothing will come of this and that he may just be about to deliver some kind of collective rebuke, to be disseminated by those in attendance. On the other hand, since this is I think, almost unprecedented, perhaps there is just an outside chance that he wants, or is being forced, to find out what really gripes us, directly from the horse's mouth.
Even in the case of the latter, probably nothing will happen, not immediately anyway, but if they are beginning to sense the reality that pilot discontent is a genuine threat to the business, maybe, just maybe the seeds of change could be sown here.
I too am generally pessimistic and cynical when it comes to the company and its ethos, but as has so often been pointed out, nothing, absolutely nothing, will ever change by just moaning about it here.
This is an opportunity for the invitees to gauge his attitude, and hopefully put across, in a professionally considered manner, those genuine problems that are causing such unhappiness.
Bloggs.
Even in the case of the latter, probably nothing will happen, not immediately anyway, but if they are beginning to sense the reality that pilot discontent is a genuine threat to the business, maybe, just maybe the seeds of change could be sown here.
I too am generally pessimistic and cynical when it comes to the company and its ethos, but as has so often been pointed out, nothing, absolutely nothing, will ever change by just moaning about it here.
This is an opportunity for the invitees to gauge his attitude, and hopefully put across, in a professionally considered manner, those genuine problems that are causing such unhappiness.
Bloggs.
Have you met AAR?
When AAR stepped on to that podium years ago (Can't remember, 2005/6?) at his first pilot meeting in the auditorium in the new sim building, the whole atmosphere was toxic.
As he discharged his bile on the large crowd that came in on their day off (One of many in those days), as was encouraged by fleet management, many shook their heads in dismay.
At it's peak it was noted how all the cadets in the first row got-up and walked out en masse in disgust.
As he flailed and spluttered in dismay an adjournment was called.
Most left the auditorium during the break, as did l. Why stick around for round two of this sh!t!
Apparently this was not to his liking on his return to the podium and, as a result, we became thieves for not working hard enough and lazy as a result.
Back back to the point.
No. I have not met him.
He presented himself to the pilot body that day as a Sacha Baron Cohen character model. You know, the type that makes you cringe and wince at every thing that he says and does.
Do l want to meet him? No.
halas
As he discharged his bile on the large crowd that came in on their day off (One of many in those days), as was encouraged by fleet management, many shook their heads in dismay.
At it's peak it was noted how all the cadets in the first row got-up and walked out en masse in disgust.
As he flailed and spluttered in dismay an adjournment was called.
Most left the auditorium during the break, as did l. Why stick around for round two of this sh!t!
Apparently this was not to his liking on his return to the podium and, as a result, we became thieves for not working hard enough and lazy as a result.
Back back to the point.
No. I have not met him.
He presented himself to the pilot body that day as a Sacha Baron Cohen character model. You know, the type that makes you cringe and wince at every thing that he says and does.
Do l want to meet him? No.
halas
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I won't be able to make it to the meeting that day. Due respect Bloggson, I'm not quite as confident in the considered, professional approach any more. Could someone just punch him in the face for me and maybe video it with their phone?
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Halas nailed it.
FYI there is a European skipper in our hood telling people that he just resigned - so effective three months from this week - and was asked into a meeting and offered 100kAED to stay until Nov as the summer crewing situation is a now a crisis & will not be sorted until the Fall.
He took it.
I'm hesitant to write these rumors - but the source it came from was no Alan Pardew.
FYI there is a European skipper in our hood telling people that he just resigned - so effective three months from this week - and was asked into a meeting and offered 100kAED to stay until Nov as the summer crewing situation is a now a crisis & will not be sorted until the Fall.
He took it.
I'm hesitant to write these rumors - but the source it came from was no Alan Pardew.
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Halas .. I was there ...AAR. won't do any thing because he is the accounble person who personally lead us into this situation in the first place ...after that meeting he never called for another one because he knew nobody will show up ..and that will really look bad from him .... And the cycle repeat it self ... Why it's only selected few ...must be people apparently happy and he would use them to show the higher management (STC and HH ) that it's all taking care of ....
Sadly I saw the news today ..and read STC email which his only concern to protect the brand ...( no one interested in us or our life style til the day they park the AC or we sadly make the news ) ...
Please be safe protect your self ..
Sadly I saw the news today ..and read STC email which his only concern to protect the brand ...( no one interested in us or our life style til the day they park the AC or we sadly make the news ) ...
Please be safe protect your self ..
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If we put our requests forward respectfully there is a chance we could be heard. Let's be positive and behave respectfully. At least he is taking the time to meet some of us. Guys attending the meeting, please be respectful and put your point across in a reasonable manner.