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A380 with less than 700 airbus hours

Old 24th Feb 2016, 16:06
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A380 with less than 700 airbus hours

Seeing that they are moving A330 guys with less than 700h total time on airbus (yes! the only airbus that some of these guys have flown is the A330 in EK), instead of moving those that have more than 2000h just shows how desperate they are and how someone just f&©ked up the lives of those who did A340 ccq this last year. If only these A340 ccq's had been done in the right and fair way, they could have less people resigning in the next months.

Does 'Daber' and managment know that they have guys with less than 700 airbus hours flying their queen, when just a year ago the requirement for A380 was >2500h? Shocking! Some of these guys either have flown Boeing all their life or regional jets, before joining the 'night-turns' fleet.

And yet, those fleet ladies who are in charged of assigning A340 ccq´s and A380 transfers are not responsible for the mess they have created.

A lot of anger amongst A340 guys.
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Old 24th Feb 2016, 16:25
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when I started on a Boeing I had zero hours on Boeings, then a few years later I flew a 330 and I also had zero hours on Airbuses
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Old 24th Feb 2016, 16:59
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In reply to Bacon's post ....

Having flown 744, 330 then 777, the transition back onto the Boeing was pretty easy. I couldn't imagine the transition being as easy the other way around.

I am however becoming old, slow and tired.
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Old 24th Feb 2016, 18:19
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I am however becoming old, slow and tired.
yeah, know the feeling!

re 744, I recall young FO's in the RHS straight out of flight school. On the line, they did everything, including taxi; with marshallers at remote stands on the cargo apron, I even let them park. They were a sharp bunch on the whole.

Re aircraft generally; rememeber Bill Pegg on the Bristol Brabazon (who remembers that machine ?!)--" I just fly the cockpit and the rest follows ".
747, 380, Cessna 150--an aircraft is an aircraft. ( so long as the attitude and the ability is there )
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 02:53
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Dear FL3

I hate to be the guy that calls someone out on the forum here, but here it goes anyway.

FL3: Seeing as how you've just done your CCQ last year, I would have to imagine that you joined EK some time in 2014. Therefore, as you obviously have been on PPRuNe you would have known the issues when you joined. When you joined there were threads about the 5 year FO's that were near their upgrade on the 330 and then transferred to the 380 whereby required to gain the 2500 hours and thus became 8+ year FO's through no fault of their own. There were also 330 Fo's being bypassed transition to the relatively new policy of direct entry 380 FO's. All of these issues and more would have well been clearly explained throughout PPRuNe and I would imagine you chose to ignore them all. Now however, now that you are being directly affected by the very same BS that you chose to ignore, you are joining the ranks of those before you that tried to warn your younger self.


Forgive if I am wrong...
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 04:31
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Spot on TIMING,Again and again, a 1000 times, PPRuNe pilots and others are explaining why not to come into this mess but it seems that, still, pilots are joining the force. It is just beyond imagination.....
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 05:43
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Agreed, there's valid complaints about the incompetence routinely shown by the drones at the bouncy castle, and then there's people grasping at straws to try and generate some rabble rousing. Need a fresh bale FL3...?
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 07:04
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I am not complaining and spreading anger nor saying pilots are not able to fly the fatbus.
Just surprised that one of "the safest" airlines, when recruiting require >2500 airbus hours for the fatbus and for then they take guys with around 700 airbus hours...and then get surprised that extra training is needed...

T&G, I joined 2013. I forgive you.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 07:18
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And the one year DEC's will go on the 380 as well
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 08:09
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FL3 it looks like you are now saying that guys with less than 700hrs Airbus are not safe!! Sour grapes old chap!!!
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 08:09
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8 year 340 Capts. screwed...again...

And here's a new one for those same guys, leave being denied to protect "tentative" class dates for 380 transfer...

They seem determined to mess this place up.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 08:27
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There are people joining on the 777 this month with their entire previous experience having been in the right seat of an ATR.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 09:47
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And the one year DEC's will go on the 380 as well
Both of them?
These guys got a nice deal. Despite all the warnings here, they got a fast track to the 380.
How are the other three DEC's doing?

Seniority aside, this move means less training and less cost for EK. The CCQ guys will have to do one (?) more year before they transfer to the whale.
Hardly worth complaining about.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 10:30
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Xiamen, I'm assuming you aren't on that fleet if one more year doesn't seem worth complaining about and that you care nothing for equity and fairness toward fellow pilots. Training costs? They had no issue trying to put 777 guys through an initial course on the 380 when there were plenty of 330 guys who could be trained in half the time at twice the success rate. Plus Its all internal, just one dept billing another for a 1 week ccq to the 340, all the money stays within EK. Classic example of why this pilot group will always be screwed.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 10:40
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You all joined an airline without unions. You all knew this.
Keep your feelings out of this.
Look at cost and "downtime" of pilots involved, then it makes sense.
Even the 777 to 380 transfer is smart if it is easier to recruit pilots for the 777 than the 330.

You are the guys telling us all how horrible the 330 is, so why are you surprised?
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 10:14
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This is weird man, Its up to the airline, but I got 4000 hours on a A340 as a captain, but they are not taking DEC's for the A380 and they are taking FO's of A330 with only 700 hours?

I had a friend in United, in like 2 years, they moved him from an A320 to the B747. I really don't get this logic.
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Old 27th Feb 2016, 17:43
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Yes they are. I can give you the staff numbers and you see with your own eyes. Many of them haven't even done 1 year with EK.
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Old 28th Feb 2016, 05:12
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FL3, stop whining!
you just got screwed like everybody in Emirates, take it like a man, you should have believed what people say on PPRuNe, welcome to the club.
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Old 28th Feb 2016, 05:24
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The OMA does state that all time done with Emirates is considered hard time. It seems they are right. It doesn't seem to trigger an early parole in all cases though.
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Old 7th Mar 2016, 14:33
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How fleets are manages

1 min rq acc om/a

For 330 and 777

4000 total incl 2000 on 55t

For 380

4000 total and 2000 prefe 330 or other wide body

The majority of the a380 fo does not have any prev wide body expietence

Min rq for fleet transfer

700 EK 330/340 fleet
That has changed a year ago because it was 700 EK quad hr which means acc OM/a in the benefit to move 777 guys to 380

Now those 320 737 guys without previous widbody expietence are overtaking the ex 330/340 guys for the left seat because of the delayed fleet transfer
So that means 3000 EK split half half between 330/340 and 380 has less value than 320 plus 2000hr 380

Make your own judgment on the loyalty
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