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Old 19th Oct 2015, 11:33
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EK FTL Question

So...the good book seems deliberately vague on this one:

Questions:

1. Are there any limits on the length of a FDP that concludes with a positioning sector?

2. Are there any limits on the length of a FDP that consists of only positioning sector(s)? Although I think in this case it would be considered a Scheduled Duty rather than a FDP.

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Old 19th Oct 2015, 14:40
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As far as I am aware the FDP finishes when you set the Parking Brake.

A Positioning Duty can follow for however long is needed, so long as the following rest period equals the sum of both FDP and Positioning.

There is also the max monthly duty hours that limits this being used too often.

Just my two'pennuth.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 15:32
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Come on guys (and girls), we know that all FTL's can be somewhat confusing but, this is one of the more simple concepts!


There are two types of duty,

1. Flight duty period, that is any duty associated with a flight ( not dead heading) that starts 1 hour before ( yes we know that's not when we report, but sh*t happens!) and finishes when you set the parking brake, even if you position afterwards.

2. Duty period, that is any duty, (flight, sim, ground school, dead heading, office duty etc) that starts a certain time before the duty, 1hr b4 flight, (45mins b4 dead heading I think) and finishes 30 mins after the park brake or when you go on blocks when you are positioning .(some other exceptions) and this time is when your legal rest starts.

Simple as mud!
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 16:24
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Thanks alwayzinit.

Kennedy, my question was not what types of activities constituted such duties, but what if any limits there were on such.

The freighter operation in particular is throwing up some interesting patterns, i.e.

Operate 2 crew LAX-CPH, wait in the terminal for several hours and then deadhead to somewhere else in Europe.

Deadhead Mexico City to DFW, transit (several hours), deadhead to DXB.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 16:53
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You should write an ASR saying you were micro napping when deadheading
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 17:45
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No need for histrionics Don.

Many regulatory regimes consider any duty associated with your work as part of the duty period. I just wanted to make sure that my understanding that that does not apply here was correct.

Not much of an ASR writer myself.
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Old 20th Oct 2015, 03:01
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Apologies millennium, yes there are pretty much no limits for dead heading after a flight, although there are for before a flight.

My record for duty was over 33 hours, Including home standby, one sector, then a return to stand after running out of flight duty period( including 3 hours discretion!) less than min rest in a hotel and dead head home! At least I got two days off afterwards!

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