Ek on a "Down Hill" spiral
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Ek on a "Down Hill" spiral
Along with all the problems this airline is having at the moment retaining crew, check out Youtube and type in the search First Class with (them down the road) in Ab Dabs.
I've actually spoken to someone who flew first class with them, they said they would never touch EK again!!! Speaks volumes.
So for an airline like EK who thinks its the best they better think again. They can't spend money on equipment to go inside their aircraft (flight deck and cabin) but they can buy lots of them!!
That 777 reg is so apt....EGO
Oh but we've got a lovely new rostering system:
I've actually spoken to someone who flew first class with them, they said they would never touch EK again!!! Speaks volumes.
So for an airline like EK who thinks its the best they better think again. They can't spend money on equipment to go inside their aircraft (flight deck and cabin) but they can buy lots of them!!
That 777 reg is so apt....EGO
Oh but we've got a lovely new rostering system:
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Pointless post Puff, just to have a dig at EK without any real Pilot rumours/issues in the content (except rostering which is plenty in other threads).
Posts like this are more like bitching and moaning just to have a dig at EK and are putting this forum in jeopardy when posts like this are written. I hope this thread dies rapidly or is removed by mods.
J
Posts like this are more like bitching and moaning just to have a dig at EK and are putting this forum in jeopardy when posts like this are written. I hope this thread dies rapidly or is removed by mods.
J
To add some anecdotal perspective I also flew on that airline and it was without doubt the worst airline flight I have ever taken. Have a look at Trip Adviser for some 'interesting' reviews.
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Surprised too Puff, considering you left several months ago. Hope you're not turning into another SOPS. 
Seriously though, I hope you're enjoying the freedom, vino, countryside and sailing mate! EK is poorer for your loss.
Harry
Seriously though, I hope you're enjoying the freedom, vino, countryside and sailing mate! EK is poorer for your loss.
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SS, things are never too far gone as in terms of its business as EK has a competitive value proposition and a compelling position in terms of connectivity.
All that however matters for nothing if the top floors choose to ignore or deny the excessive wastage and attrition of experienced and valuable staff as there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that the operation is stretched to the limit. The trouble is, as I've stated previously, a middle aged mentality with respect to the treatment of employees has its consequences. TC can wax lyrically about his airline and how it benefits from globalisation, but it's a two edged sword as there are now a plethora of other opportunities available to well qualified and motivated expats to persue elsewhere under improved working conditions, something which also seems to have escaped AAR.
All that however matters for nothing if the top floors choose to ignore or deny the excessive wastage and attrition of experienced and valuable staff as there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that the operation is stretched to the limit. The trouble is, as I've stated previously, a middle aged mentality with respect to the treatment of employees has its consequences. TC can wax lyrically about his airline and how it benefits from globalisation, but it's a two edged sword as there are now a plethora of other opportunities available to well qualified and motivated expats to persue elsewhere under improved working conditions, something which also seems to have escaped AAR.
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Have to agree. Flew recently with EK after a long while. Was impressed with the service improvements. (Sadly, these days have to turn right at the door rather than left...). Full load, but the guys and gals did a great job in "jurassic park".
self-loaded on both...pluses and minuses as with any carrier...
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Harry ole mate, I'm still here or I wouldn't have posted, and as one bright spark suggested, as to who I 'am the clue isn't in the name!!!
If I'd have left I wouldn't spend my time on here, but while I'm still here I will post my thoughts and feelings so people out there know what going on.
It's not just an EK bashing as someone suggests, its the truth about what's happening here.
Let's see next month with this new roster system if life styles improve. it's been butchered that much in favour of the company we'll get screwed, again!!!
If I'd have left I wouldn't spend my time on here, but while I'm still here I will post my thoughts and feelings so people out there know what going on.
It's not just an EK bashing as someone suggests, its the truth about what's happening here.
Let's see next month with this new roster system if life styles improve. it's been butchered that much in favour of the company we'll get screwed, again!!!
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This thread has just reminded me why I stopped reading Pprune, mostly full of self appointed great oracles, who are most likely the guys I meet in the briefing room who kick off straight after greetings are done. Harping on about "How 
this company is and management have no idea what they are doing". Do YOU have any idea how many other people forecast exactly the same their airline in other threads... CX, BA, QF, QR... yadda yadda
To sum up yes, aviation is steadily sliding and hopefully with the arrival of the long predicted pilot shortage our pay will increase, but expect to work just as hard for it.
I'd hate to work for an airline that gave me everything, because these types don't last too long when there is competition and no government to prop them up.
If you don't like it VOTE WITH YOUR FEET!
Additionally, stop moaning at the poor bugger who has to fly with you, as he/she has to sit there and smile and listen to it without a chance of escape till the end of the flight, which makes a 4hrs flight feel like a long haul. And yes, the cabin crew also think you are no joy to be around!
Btw, no point replying, I won't bother coming back to Pprune, this was done out of a little hope of reducing the moaning I have to listen to on the flight deck.
this company is and management have no idea what they are doing". Do YOU have any idea how many other people forecast exactly the same their airline in other threads... CX, BA, QF, QR... yadda yaddaTo sum up yes, aviation is steadily sliding and hopefully with the arrival of the long predicted pilot shortage our pay will increase, but expect to work just as hard for it.
I'd hate to work for an airline that gave me everything, because these types don't last too long when there is competition and no government to prop them up.
If you don't like it VOTE WITH YOUR FEET!
Additionally, stop moaning at the poor bugger who has to fly with you, as he/she has to sit there and smile and listen to it without a chance of escape till the end of the flight, which makes a 4hrs flight feel like a long haul. And yes, the cabin crew also think you are no joy to be around!
Btw, no point replying, I won't bother coming back to Pprune, this was done out of a little hope of reducing the moaning I have to listen to on the flight deck.
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Thast was funny NP...
You stop by, p🎉💥p in a corner so that it stinks and then you leave😄😄😄
You must be a joy to fly as you must be the one of the few that still thinks how great everything is.
Funny that everybody is wrong and just you see the greatness.
People must be sitting beside you and listening how great everything is with a smile😶😶😶
Have you ever wondered why they tell you:"Oh I see..." " thank you for the valuable input"?
If not then let me say it now.
Glad you are gone...👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻
You stop by, p🎉💥p in a corner so that it stinks and then you leave😄😄😄
You must be a joy to fly as you must be the one of the few that still thinks how great everything is.
Funny that everybody is wrong and just you see the greatness.
People must be sitting beside you and listening how great everything is with a smile😶😶😶
Have you ever wondered why they tell you:"Oh I see..." " thank you for the valuable input"?
If not then let me say it now.
Glad you are gone...👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻
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I'd imagine what Next Phase is referring to is not that everything is necessarily great at EK, more that he (or she) is pissed off at having to come to work day after day and listen to the same old moaning and groaning, sometimes incessantly throughout the whole flight. I flew with people like that at EK when I was an F/O over 12 years ago. I also flew with many Captains like that in my previous Company.....and the one before that. Pilots like to whinge! It's tiresome and it changes nothing other than making for a lousy day out. NP, like the majority of those who still enjoy the job, would also rather spend their precious time more productively rather than having to answer to the constant, and often petty bitching that pervades these forums.
If individuals put half the effort into writing to their Chief Pilot expressing their dissatisfaction that they do moaning at work, maybe they could expect change. Until they do, nothing will alter. All that negative attitude serves no purpose other than effecting their own day and that of their crew. It has sod all impact on those they complain about. The bouncy castle continues to bounce, while you immerse yourself deeper into your pit of frustration and despair, dragging your crew along with it.
Behaviour breeds behaviour.
Harry
If individuals put half the effort into writing to their Chief Pilot expressing their dissatisfaction that they do moaning at work, maybe they could expect change. Until they do, nothing will alter. All that negative attitude serves no purpose other than effecting their own day and that of their crew. It has sod all impact on those they complain about. The bouncy castle continues to bounce, while you immerse yourself deeper into your pit of frustration and despair, dragging your crew along with it.
Behaviour breeds behaviour.
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Or maybe if the company treated us with just an ounce of professionalism and respect there would be less bitching.
As been said many times before just look at the new bidding system. They are turning the screws on us for no reason and this doesn't cost the company any money. They just like to screw us.
Until our applications are accepted at other airlines or we retire this is the most likely and vocal outlet to our frustrations. If a "happy" pilot can not accept this or can not understand this they truly have their head buried in the sand.
As been said many times before just look at the new bidding system. They are turning the screws on us for no reason and this doesn't cost the company any money. They just like to screw us.
Until our applications are accepted at other airlines or we retire this is the most likely and vocal outlet to our frustrations. If a "happy" pilot can not accept this or can not understand this they truly have their head buried in the sand.
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Harry.. Do you seriously and honestly think writing to the respective chief pilots about all the things that make the job miserable and fatiguing.... Will do anything??? Seriously, the reason EK pilots come here is because many have probably already done what you suggest and the results speak for themselves... More unanswered emails. So just to vent, we all come here.
Even you not long ago "whinged" as they say, about your lack of 42 days vacation. How'd that letter to your chief pilot work out for you, Harry? What did the chief pilot say in his return email to you? Did you end up getting your extra contractual days off vacation?? I'm guessing not. So.... THAT is why guys come here to vent their anger and frustration at the complete lack of respect for pilots EK continues to show all of you.... And we all know those very same Chiefs you say to write to about your gripes, actually read this forum.
So don't give sh*te to anyone on here who feels the need to vent the constant level frustration and aggravation at a system that clearly doesn't care in the least about you nor anyone else.
Same goes for you next phase. Why give a hard time to those who've moved on.... Can they not come and read and contribute? I enjoy hearing from those who've moved on!
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Even you not long ago "whinged" as they say, about your lack of 42 days vacation. How'd that letter to your chief pilot work out for you, Harry? What did the chief pilot say in his return email to you? Did you end up getting your extra contractual days off vacation?? I'm guessing not. So.... THAT is why guys come here to vent their anger and frustration at the complete lack of respect for pilots EK continues to show all of you.... And we all know those very same Chiefs you say to write to about your gripes, actually read this forum.
So don't give sh*te to anyone on here who feels the need to vent the constant level frustration and aggravation at a system that clearly doesn't care in the least about you nor anyone else.
Same goes for you next phase. Why give a hard time to those who've moved on.... Can they not come and read and contribute? I enjoy hearing from those who've moved on!
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Rumour
I have heard a rumour that one lucky FO did write to a Chief making some suggestions, and was rewarded by his file being reviewed and then removed from line for an extra sim session. This from more than one source. NP- Why even enter this thread, (Pretty self explanatory.) if you don't want to hear whining. There's whining and there are serious complaints. I think we are all old enough to know the difference. On that note, I would like to kindly ask EK to PLEASE do something about your horrible call signs. 5-2-0, 5-3-0, 5-4-0, 3-4-0 all in the same hold!?!? Given the extreme work loads EK pilots and DXB controllers are facing does anyone else think this is a disaster waiting to happen? Fix IT!