How big do you think the exodus from EK will be....
Bunk time is 100% paid for in terms of productivity.
Bunk time while augment ting doesn't count toward monthly and annual hour limits.
Bunk time while augment ting doesn't count toward monthly and annual hour limits.
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Harris,... Good on you! I'll stick with Flion on this one as I've NEVER had a response from HR or Ops on any "I'll get back to you " issue..... But feel free to continue with YOUR story.... 
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Bunk time! Am I correct in the fact that bunk time is counted as total hours when considering the minimum required to upgrade for both expat and local pilots. However, bunk time is NOT counted when it comes to annual hours flown?
Bunk time seems to suit 1 rule to get people in the left seat quickly and then suit another rule to make people fly more hours which doesn't then count as hours flown?
Jack
Bunk time seems to suit 1 rule to get people in the left seat quickly and then suit another rule to make people fly more hours which doesn't then count as hours flown?
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Recently on a recurrent ground school day: the Wise men/woman from the bouncy castle didn't even make an appearance (on a week day!!) and only bothered to tell the ground instructor well after lunch 
, so whoever didn't drive in was shafted on transport as well.. I'm sure they had the difficult choice to make.. "face Angry pilots (and tell lies) or leave the office early?? eh.." 
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, so whoever didn't drive in was shafted on transport as well.. I'm sure they had the difficult choice to make.. "face Angry pilots (and tell lies) or leave the office early?? eh.." Pointer
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Where do european pilots go if they leave Emirates? There is no jobs for widebody pilots in Europe. If they all try to go back to Ryanair, Wizzair and easyjet that's funny...or pathetic.
This airline industry has realy become a joke.
This airline industry has realy become a joke.
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EK Part time pilot?
On a recent wash up HR lady confirmed EK are looking at part time flying for its pilots, i.e 1 month on, 1 month off like another local carrier is rumoured to be doing for its pilots already. This was confirmed by the chief pilot next to her. Has anyone else heard the rumour or asked the question of HR and managements?
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Ahh yes... The old "dangle-a-non-existent-carrot-and-they'll-all-stay" trick.
I'd bet a lot of my salary that at this point in time it's just done to place doubt in the minds of people planning to leave.
It'll never happen cause 80% of the pilots will apply...
I'd bet a lot of my salary that at this point in time it's just done to place doubt in the minds of people planning to leave.
It'll never happen cause 80% of the pilots will apply...
Month on, month off sounds nice, but I imagine for most Europeans thinking of returning home during that 1 month off period, they would be then required to pay tax on what is already (presumably) half a salary). In the case of the UK, the maximum amount of time you can spend there is 90 days to remain tax free. Anyway, all I'm saying is, would it work for many people?
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Have to agree with AHarris on the ""do they ever get back to you?"
I sent an email to JA who responded with 5 days re. the lowering of productivity affecting the increased difficulty with swapping.
Got a response with nothing substantial in it, with no changes to the system.
At least I vented productively offering alternatives which made me feel better, albeit briefly, very briefly............
I sent an email to JA who responded with 5 days re. the lowering of productivity affecting the increased difficulty with swapping.
Got a response with nothing substantial in it, with no changes to the system.
At least I vented productively offering alternatives which made me feel better, albeit briefly, very briefly............
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A.Harris,
Can you give us an idea of the feedback that was given to ALL of the guys in your RGTS specific group - which is what I asserted.
Not in for a scrap just want to make sure you read my post correctly...and that is that the individual took the effort to look up all the pilots in that select group and respond
Standing by
Break dancer - you didn't read my post correctly, have another go.
f.
Can you give us an idea of the feedback that was given to ALL of the guys in your RGTS specific group - which is what I asserted.
Not in for a scrap just want to make sure you read my post correctly...and that is that the individual took the effort to look up all the pilots in that select group and respond
Standing by
Break dancer - you didn't read my post correctly, have another go.
f.
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Filion - no idea to be honest, you'd have to ask them.
I'm sure if any of them really cared enough they could have asked me to send them the feedback - none did.
I'm sure if any of them really cared enough they could have asked me to send them the feedback - none did.
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"Bottom line- attrition may become problematic, and recruitment challenging- but a huge exodus with no ability to replace? IMHO very unlikely."
You wouldn't be saying that had you gone to the Westin today.
You wouldn't be saying that had you gone to the Westin today.
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AH
"No idea to be honest"
Thank you for proving my point ... most of us do care...
and you still will not state that all of your group were contacted by said HR and copied on feedback .
Break dancer?
f.
"No idea to be honest"
Thank you for proving my point ... most of us do care...
and you still will not state that all of your group were contacted by said HR and copied on feedback .
Break dancer?
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There will be no mass exodus (although, history knows how to surprise. Take a look at thousands of migrants in Europe these days. Nobody expected them, certainly not in that number). Company will slowly shut down or it will become irrelevant on the market. Some other, better, company will emerge somewhere and it will attract all the best people, or some old, etsablished company will change their approach once planes start to crash every month - in that kind of circumstances, safety will sell the tickets. It will take years for that, maybe even decades, but the ineviatable fall has begun.
What goes around, comes around. Ask migrants.
What goes around, comes around. Ask migrants.
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It's very simple ref the wash ups. For my last 12 ppc's I have seen the bouncy castle reps twice. The rest were done on the weekend, bar one where training came down (GM) lectured us and then wouldn't field any questions. We were then told management couldn't make it! So how about we just don't turn up to the wash up? Save you getting false promises of a reply, save you being bollocked by a manager with the interpersonal skills of a slug and finally saves you from listening to their bull****. It's a win win the. As they don't want to be there either and we don't want to listen to them....
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The Westin and Jet 2
The whole atmosphere was relaxed and very open, boxes of Yorkshire Tea and Hobnobs as a backdrop to the coffee station was a nice touch IMHO.
Company is expanding, OWNS all its aircraft currently 53 and growing.
Simply put, they want experienced wide body (bodied!) Captains. They are aware it takes time to disentangle oneself from here as well and are flexible about timings etc .
The money was no secret 101,500 per annum all in Gross, so roughly 5,500 pm net.
I thought it was refreshingly honest and open, if you are not hooked on big bucks (Ha!) and want to get back to Blighty, its workable.
The whole atmosphere was relaxed and very open, boxes of Yorkshire Tea and Hobnobs as a backdrop to the coffee station was a nice touch IMHO.
Company is expanding, OWNS all its aircraft currently 53 and growing.
Simply put, they want experienced wide body (bodied!
) Captains. They are aware it takes time to disentangle oneself from here as well and are flexible about timings etc .The money was no secret 101,500 per annum all in Gross, so roughly 5,500 pm net.
I thought it was refreshingly honest and open, if you are not hooked on big bucks (Ha!) and want to get back to Blighty, its workable.