Rosters Today? + days off
Fuzuma it's unlikely you will see a roster on account of the pervasive and punitive nature of the social media policy at EK along with the ever present fear that certain elements within the organisation use this forum to spread mis-information, and thus they can also identify individuals on here by sighting their roster.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a roster, just take it at face value that the rosters spoken about are indeed happening.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a roster, just take it at face value that the rosters spoken about are indeed happening.
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777 FO....97 hours rostered, 9 days off. After next month I will have flown 370 hours in 4 months including a ground school and PPC. No wonder we are all trying to get out of this prison.
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Monarch Man,
Thanks for the reply, had a blonde moment and didn't put 2 and 2 together with regards to exposing the true identity, an honest mistake and embarrassing on my part!
I've never thought for a second that the roster claims are untrue, just trying to see what sort of rest periods on a flight pairing you guys are receiving and how many days off in DXB before departing again on the next pairing.
Thanks for the reply, had a blonde moment and didn't put 2 and 2 together with regards to exposing the true identity, an honest mistake and embarrassing on my part!
I've never thought for a second that the roster claims are untrue, just trying to see what sort of rest periods on a flight pairing you guys are receiving and how many days off in DXB before departing again on the next pairing.
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"Days off in DXB"?! hahah!
Real life example. Arrive back from t/a flight, landing around 0100. Home/bed around 0230. Up around 0930. Pickup for next flight: 2330 the same day for next flight departing 0145.
Or, perhaps you get a day off. But that's it - literally one day. Typically, one three day off block in a month with the rest single days and perhaps two in a row.
The best way to get more days off in a row is during leave. But then, they roster an entire month of flying in the remaining days, with no regards to roster bidding - anything goes, to get the maximum productivity. There is no point in bidding in months you have leave. (Actually, with the new system in place, there's no point in bidding at all, but that's another topic.)
It's no kind of life. As noted in the KAL roadshow thread, there is a stampede for the door. No matter what lies told by management.
Real life example. Arrive back from t/a flight, landing around 0100. Home/bed around 0230. Up around 0930. Pickup for next flight: 2330 the same day for next flight departing 0145.
Or, perhaps you get a day off. But that's it - literally one day. Typically, one three day off block in a month with the rest single days and perhaps two in a row.
The best way to get more days off in a row is during leave. But then, they roster an entire month of flying in the remaining days, with no regards to roster bidding - anything goes, to get the maximum productivity. There is no point in bidding in months you have leave. (Actually, with the new system in place, there's no point in bidding at all, but that's another topic.)
It's no kind of life. As noted in the KAL roadshow thread, there is a stampede for the door. No matter what lies told by management.
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I don't know NLH... Middle bid and 13 days off with one block of 4 and one of 5... 91 hours, happily about 24 in a bunk with my earplugs stuffed in...
Believe me, I sleep like a log in that CRC.
Just sayin'
Believe me, I sleep like a log in that CRC.
Just sayin'
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Yep, you're livin' the dream, no doubt! lol
And those of us who've left, aren't sure whether to laugh or feel pity...myself, laughter...pity is wasted on the clueless.
Just sayin'.
And those of us who've left, aren't sure whether to laugh or feel pity...myself, laughter...pity is wasted on the clueless.
Just sayin'.
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Some Clarification
White Knight, et al
Please could someone offer some clarity, and put the barbecue arguments to bed, regarding the rostered hard hours at EK.
When stating the rostered hours for the month, is or isn't bunk time accounted for/included, there is a lot of arguments amongst other airline pilots that you are not credited for time in the bunk, whether 2 crew ops or including 3/4 crew ops.
If someone could explain the policy in layman terms avoiding company acronyms that would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much for any clarity.......
Please could someone offer some clarity, and put the barbecue arguments to bed, regarding the rostered hard hours at EK.
When stating the rostered hours for the month, is or isn't bunk time accounted for/included, there is a lot of arguments amongst other airline pilots that you are not credited for time in the bunk, whether 2 crew ops or including 3/4 crew ops.
If someone could explain the policy in layman terms avoiding company acronyms that would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much for any clarity.......
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We get payed for full block time. But hard limit for legalities is non-bunk time so for instance I flew 930 hours last 12 months..
Regarding roster I got 73 hours and 13 days off and 2 days ground bottom bid !
Fat bus left seat by the way
Cant complain...
Regarding roster I got 73 hours and 13 days off and 2 days ground bottom bid !
Fat bus left seat by the way
Cant complain...
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Fuzuma
When we, as crew, talk about rostered hours per month, we count every minute in the airplane.
E.g. 99 hours... This is what we get paid.
Times to wards yr legal limits , e.g. 100 hrs in 28 days, is this time less the bunk time.
So you can fly easily more than 900 hours per year in n airplane as crew, and still be legal. This is 900 hrs per year because the bunk is not counted toward the legal limit.
Fair in my eyes? Hell no! Truth, f@&$k yes.
The overtime hours are paid less than the normal hours. And flying into overtime is scheduled without asking us, almost every month now.
All ground duties like Safety recurrents, profchecks, crm recurrents are all not counted towards yr legal limits.
So e.g. 99 rostered hours +3 profcheck days + ..... Is a lot per month... And believe me, you endup having hardly days off. And when yr lucky to have a few days off on a row, you probably endup trying to get the missus on yr side, while dealing with the jetlag, this is a really nice combination...
A bit more clear Fuzuma?
Living the dream mate....
E.g. 99 hours... This is what we get paid.
Times to wards yr legal limits , e.g. 100 hrs in 28 days, is this time less the bunk time.
So you can fly easily more than 900 hours per year in n airplane as crew, and still be legal. This is 900 hrs per year because the bunk is not counted toward the legal limit.
Fair in my eyes? Hell no! Truth, f@&$k yes.
The overtime hours are paid less than the normal hours. And flying into overtime is scheduled without asking us, almost every month now.
All ground duties like Safety recurrents, profchecks, crm recurrents are all not counted towards yr legal limits.
So e.g. 99 rostered hours +3 profcheck days + ..... Is a lot per month... And believe me, you endup having hardly days off. And when yr lucky to have a few days off on a row, you probably endup trying to get the missus on yr side, while dealing with the jetlag, this is a really nice combination...
A bit more clear Fuzuma?
Living the dream mate....
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Actually Fuzuma, bunk time doesn't count towards the limits only if you're augmenting. If you're the operating crew bunk time counts 100%.
For example if you're operating to JFK on a 14 hours flight and augmenting back on a 13 hours flight you'll be payed 27 hours but only 20 hours (14 + 6) will count towards the limits..
tz
For example if you're operating to JFK on a 14 hours flight and augmenting back on a 13 hours flight you'll be payed 27 hours but only 20 hours (14 + 6) will count towards the limits..
tz
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Hi TZ,
Thanks for the reply, so just to make sure I've got this a 100% correct and don't enter into an argument around the barbecue and am actually wrong, all hours rostered are credited towards pay and limits, except if you're the augmenting crew...... In which case you're still paid the hours regardless of bunk time.......but the bunk time is not added to your legal total?
Thanks for the clarification, you won't believe the stories/rumours that are floating around in other airlines regarding what the EK policy is with hours and limits, so it's greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Thanks for the reply, so just to make sure I've got this a 100% correct and don't enter into an argument around the barbecue and am actually wrong, all hours rostered are credited towards pay and limits, except if you're the augmenting crew...... In which case you're still paid the hours regardless of bunk time.......but the bunk time is not added to your legal total?
Thanks for the clarification, you won't believe the stories/rumours that are floating around in other airlines regarding what the EK policy is with hours and limits, so it's greatly appreciated.
Cheers
I would suggest you go to other BBQs.
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After a string of months running into productivity, I was niave in looking forward to my 10 days leave in October. However 72 hours crammed into the remaining 20 days with minimal off days and working until the evening before leave is just desperate. The company seems rudderless or in denial and their inactions have now led to these sustained poor roster practices of max hours, mixing ULR, long and short haul, back of the clock flying. i think it's past time that the Management (I use the expression lightly) step up and make a firm commitment to sort this crisis out before something snaps. New CRS is just swapping seats on the Titanic! Yes I do I know the answer to my problem 👍🏼
short flights long nights
They are in denial. Have been for ages. Nothing will change.
