New Crew Rostering System at EK
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They can't help themselves.
The old CRS doesn't work because of all the silly non-commercial, no-cost restrictions. Now that we are short bodies, and still have the same restrictions, I'm not sure how they think this will help. Obviously it won't, but I guess they have a shovel and hopefully if they dig far enough they'll eventually see the light. By then I suppose a large chunk of us will have gone elsewhere to protect our health, and family life. I can't believe that European LCC suddenly looks good.
I suppose if you get one thing you want in the top two bid groups, it will provide the veneer of a system that works to the naive and blind. Exit plan slowly falling into place.
The old CRS doesn't work because of all the silly non-commercial, no-cost restrictions. Now that we are short bodies, and still have the same restrictions, I'm not sure how they think this will help. Obviously it won't, but I guess they have a shovel and hopefully if they dig far enough they'll eventually see the light. By then I suppose a large chunk of us will have gone elsewhere to protect our health, and family life. I can't believe that European LCC suddenly looks good.
I suppose if you get one thing you want in the top two bid groups, it will provide the veneer of a system that works to the naive and blind. Exit plan slowly falling into place.
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Manual Insertions... Now ?
In fact,
The reason why the previous one was a complete disappointment for most of us, was the manual insertion practices. Those that allowed some insiders to have a richer pocket...
You could always see the same S# doing some particular flights, and after bidding for 18 months to fly home to see my family, I still can't get the flight. I think the new system will help to avoid this practices of the manual inserters... An improvement in a way. May be that is why it is taking a while to release it... Some insiders don't like it...
Let's hope..!
The reason why the previous one was a complete disappointment for most of us, was the manual insertion practices. Those that allowed some insiders to have a richer pocket...
You could always see the same S# doing some particular flights, and after bidding for 18 months to fly home to see my family, I still can't get the flight. I think the new system will help to avoid this practices of the manual inserters... An improvement in a way. May be that is why it is taking a while to release it... Some insiders don't like it...
Let's hope..!
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I'm sure the insiders will quite happily stop doing that flight (and other nice ones) to allow a fairer system for all.
And if we are not able to get nicer flights due to the above or seniority, we have a massive total of FOUR other bids to get something else.
Please can we keep the existing system!
And if we are not able to get nicer flights due to the above or seniority, we have a massive total of FOUR other bids to get something else.
Please can we keep the existing system!
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With the PREFERENCE part of the bid the package says seniority is not involved (within the bid group). So it can still be manipulated and certain people will lily still be treated differently. Though I hope I'm wrong.
In fact,
The reason why the previous one was a complete disappointment for most of us, was the manual insertion practices. Those that allowed some insiders to have a richer pocket...
You could always see the same S# doing some particular flights, and after bidding for 18 months to fly home to see my family, I still can't get the flight. I think the new system will help to avoid this practices of the manual inserters... An improvement in a way. May be that is why it is taking a while to release it... Some insiders don't like it...
Let's hope..!
The reason why the previous one was a complete disappointment for most of us, was the manual insertion practices. Those that allowed some insiders to have a richer pocket...
You could always see the same S# doing some particular flights, and after bidding for 18 months to fly home to see my family, I still can't get the flight. I think the new system will help to avoid this practices of the manual inserters... An improvement in a way. May be that is why it is taking a while to release it... Some insiders don't like it...
Let's hope..!
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Manual Inserters ...?
The manual inserters (insiders) are getting thicker pockets ... let's hope it stops at once.
Some guys are always benefited with the rosters... while others can't see their families and are destroyed...
It all happens the week before the publication...
Some guys are always benefited with the rosters... while others can't see their families and are destroyed...
It all happens the week before the publication...
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Crew Control new info
Just found out the other day that the crew control does not have access to swap app any more so if you are trying to find out if a swap would be legal (multiple swaps or similar) you have to send a email...
That will speed up the swap process for us when you really need it!
Another improvement in ek...
That will speed up the swap process for us when you really need it!
Another improvement in ek...
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Manipulation of rosters..
That is another thing that used to happen...
They would remove a flight from You, with excuse of a fleet change, assign You crap or AD; Then the flight given to one of their clients...
I think the new system would stop that ... let's hope..!
They would remove a flight from You, with excuse of a fleet change, assign You crap or AD; Then the flight given to one of their clients...
I think the new system would stop that ... let's hope..!
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Hi everyone!
How about we all send our concerns/requests/suggestions to PilotBidHelp email address. They will then be able to escalate them to the management.
Why not try to ask for more REQUEST and PREFERENCE lines? And other stuff of course.
I don't know if that would make any change at all. But at least, next time we moan about the new CRS during a wash up, we won't hear "But... We hardly received any complains at all..."
Worth trying...
Cheers
GN
How about we all send our concerns/requests/suggestions to PilotBidHelp email address. They will then be able to escalate them to the management.
Why not try to ask for more REQUEST and PREFERENCE lines? And other stuff of course.
I don't know if that would make any change at all. But at least, next time we moan about the new CRS during a wash up, we won't hear "But... We hardly received any complains at all..."
Worth trying...
Cheers
GN
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They need my help.....
what for?
please help us replace a **** system due to unfair company forced restrictions with another **** system due to unfair company forced restrictions.
Yeah right.....
You have my CRS bid and thats all you are getting.
J
what for?
please help us replace a **** system due to unfair company forced restrictions with another **** system due to unfair company forced restrictions.
Yeah right.....
You have my CRS bid and thats all you are getting.
J
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Yeah. If I thought the company was actually trying to help us and make our QOL better with the new system I'd do both. Since we all know we are being sized up to be bent over I'm only doing CRS as well.
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Hi everyone!
How about we all send our concerns/requests/suggestions to PilotBidHelp email address. They will then be able to escalate them to the management.
Why not try to ask for more REQUEST and PREFERENCE lines? And other stuff of course.
I don't know if that would make any change at all. But at least, next time we moan about the new CRS during a wash up, we won't hear "But... We hardly received any complains at all..."
Worth trying...
Cheers
GN
How about we all send our concerns/requests/suggestions to PilotBidHelp email address. They will then be able to escalate them to the management.
Why not try to ask for more REQUEST and PREFERENCE lines? And other stuff of course.
I don't know if that would make any change at all. But at least, next time we moan about the new CRS during a wash up, we won't hear "But... We hardly received any complains at all..."
Worth trying...
Cheers
GN
You ACTUALLY have/had people turn up at wash ups?
Those that did turn up last had any influence when the Dead Sea just had a cold....
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Before that, in fact, Falcon... it was back when Pontius was still a Pilate.
JAYTO, that brought a damn good laugh! My sentiments, exactly!
If only the noobs and kool-aid drinkers could see your point too.
JAYTO, that brought a damn good laugh! My sentiments, exactly!
If only the noobs and kool-aid drinkers could see your point too.
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If you are not in the top two bid months, then is there any point in actually bidding? Someone at the bottom of your group has just as much chance getting what you want anyway.
I am sure it's more luck than anything but did I get the days off and destinations and even one flight on a specific date that I wanted in July. I did have over 40 lines of bids and it was my second top bid. I therefore find it impossible to comprehend how having significantly less influence on the bidding system will bring better results. As far as I am concerned, it's a disaster on a grand scale that is now slowly unfolding.
I am sure it's more luck than anything but did I get the days off and destinations and even one flight on a specific date that I wanted in July. I did have over 40 lines of bids and it was my second top bid. I therefore find it impossible to comprehend how having significantly less influence on the bidding system will bring better results. As far as I am concerned, it's a disaster on a grand scale that is now slowly unfolding.
short flights long nights
You are 100% correct LR3. There is no way they spent all that money on a new system to be nice to the crew. There has to be a lot in it for the company. The old system would have worked fine, had it been allowed to run as it was designed to do, and not had so mant artificial restrictions placed into it.
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No pay increases and now this very beneficial new bid system.....and they think they have a difficult time getting pilots now? It will actually be fun to watch. We can eventually leave. "They" can't.
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The wheels have fallen off and the smoke and mirrors are obvious. 3 of my cabin crew were seniority numbers 40xxxx 41xxxx and another 41xxxx. They were the junior Grade 2s and the old hands as G2s were 42xxxx and up. The cover up as to the numbers leaving are clear, they are desperately trying to cover up the haemorrhage in all crew and staff.
Despite all the obvious damage in the side of this (Titanic), the ship must plough on until it does a Costa Concordia and the rocks prevent any further motion (post 2020 I would say).
J
Despite all the obvious damage in the side of this (Titanic), the ship must plough on until it does a Costa Concordia and the rocks prevent any further motion (post 2020 I would say).
J
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Does anyone know what other airlines are using the Jepp system? It would be interesting to find out what the average number of bids allowed is at other carriers. I'm fairly certain it would have no bearing on our plight here but would be one bit of ammunition in a plea for more bids!
If anyone has factual information PM it to me. Include the airline and number of requests/preferences. I will gather it and forward it to the help email.
If anyone has factual information PM it to me. Include the airline and number of requests/preferences. I will gather it and forward it to the help email.
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Probably not the information you want, but ...
I had a friend stay over quite a number of years back. He was a KLM 747 FO and he was looking over my shoulder at the features of our CRS bid system in wild wonder. His rostering rules were:
-ONE requested flight per YEAR
-swaps not permitted
-only the first two weeks of any month's roster were considered to be firm, the remaining two were considered to be 'TBA'
Be careful what you wish for.
I had a friend stay over quite a number of years back. He was a KLM 747 FO and he was looking over my shoulder at the features of our CRS bid system in wild wonder. His rostering rules were:
-ONE requested flight per YEAR
-swaps not permitted
-only the first two weeks of any month's roster were considered to be firm, the remaining two were considered to be 'TBA'
Be careful what you wish for.