Eighty-seven emirates airline employees owed usd 12.5 million dollars by uae national
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Whilst I wholeheartedly support the cause and admire your determination, I cannot help but think that as time passes, then the chance of achieving justice becomes less and less likely.
If those with any influence did apply any pressure on Dubai Police, then it would only expose the Police force to be grossly negligent in how they have handled this whole issue. This would be highly embarrassing for Dubai Police and also for the hierarchy as well. It would be a damming indictment of Dubai Police, when Sheikh Mohammed wants us all to believe that Dubai is a modern and civilised city. Adding the connection to Princess Haya to the equation, just adds salt to what would be a very tender wound.
Petitions are a great tool that can provoke change - in a civilised and democratic society - which the UAE is certainly not.
Whilst I wholeheartedly support the cause and admire your determination, I cannot help but think that as time passes, then the chance of achieving justice becomes less and less likely.
If those with any influence did apply any pressure on Dubai Police, then it would only expose the Police force to be grossly negligent in how they have handled this whole issue. This would be highly embarrassing for Dubai Police and also for the hierarchy as well. It would be a damming indictment of Dubai Police, when Sheikh Mohammed wants us all to believe that Dubai is a modern and civilised city. Adding the connection to Princess Haya to the equation, just adds salt to what would be a very tender wound.
Petitions are a great tool that can provoke change - in a civilised and democratic society - which the UAE is certainly not.
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I do agree Emma however if all we achieve is sharing the struggle of 87 families and the difficulties in achieving justice in Dubai. Then maybe that will be that. I sincerely appreciate your comments and support. With support my desire becomes hungrier. The waters of this case run deep. I could write a book on the struggle. As Lootah's two managers fled to Lebanon and Lootah himself to Egypt, at the suggestion of a senior Lootah family member and lawyer Mr. Hussain Lootah we travelled to Beirut in August 2009 to meet Mr. Ghazi Zeaiter, Minister of Industry, Government of Lebanon where we met at his Parliament Offices in Beirut. Meeting conducted in Arabic and briefed during/after where we signed legal agreement for fund recovery. Regrettably this amounted to nothing. Hussain Lootah was in contact with Lootah himself and Mona Lootah (sister) during this period. I have nothing but praise for Mr. Hussain Lootah (1st cousin of Jamal Lootah) in his genuine attempt to assist us in fund recovery. Unfortunately, it is my opinion he also was unable to proceed with the assistance due to family pressure.
It was after this visit we were threatened and successfully forced to defend ourselves in Lebanese court for supposed “harassment” of Lootah/managers i.e. attempting to locate our funds illegally transferred offshore!
The facts to date cannot be changed. Going forward who knows. You must appreciate the reality is this gentleman's company stole the life savings of 87 families (ref: DIFC ARB001/2010), absconded from Dubai to live in Egypt days before our investment was owed, was sued successfully via an international sanctioned jurisdiction (DIFC & Dubai Courts) and returned 4 years later to live next door to the people he fleeced and the Dubai police, CID, DIFC & Dubai courts, rulers office, lawyers i.e. the UAE and Dubai justice system simply wont act as they broadcast internationally. Instead, what we find is a never ending spiral of excuses, false truths and delays. In short, all parties will only do the necessary required but when it comes to enforcement and justice (the pointy end) no one is willing to take responsibility and act. If we were a well-connected international organisation, this case would be settled. We are not.
The evidence I have over 5 years is proof in itself Dubai is NOT the modern and civilised city they wish to convince the world it is.
In other words “Justice delayed is justice denied” and this should be seen internationally as a breach of human rights for 87 families resident in a country, working for an international airline of that country, EMIRATES, that promulgates itself as fair and just and where rule of law is practised. With our case extending well over five years with no end / justice in sight, being continually referred from one authority to another; then ours is certainly a case of justice denied would you not agree?
To prove your point. I have continually advised all courts, Al Tamimi (ref. DIFC affidavit) that Lootah co-invested with us on a previous project in Ras Al Khaimah, RAK Properties (ref. DIFC award) and he subsequently walked away/did not*contest*AED 20+ million deposit when he fled for Egypt (ref: Hussain Lootah & Associates confirmation from RAK Properties). Again the courts/others refused to look into this and with no answers - even during Dubai courts enforcement phase. These funds recovered would be a large part of what is owed? Nobody in the UAE courts, legal entities, other seem to care when presented with this evidence.
Is this rule of law? Is this not CRIMINAL? Is this justice?
https://www.change.org/p/hh-shk-moha...concepts-vs-lo
I do agree Emma however if all we achieve is sharing the struggle of 87 families and the difficulties in achieving justice in Dubai. Then maybe that will be that. I sincerely appreciate your comments and support. With support my desire becomes hungrier. The waters of this case run deep. I could write a book on the struggle. As Lootah's two managers fled to Lebanon and Lootah himself to Egypt, at the suggestion of a senior Lootah family member and lawyer Mr. Hussain Lootah we travelled to Beirut in August 2009 to meet Mr. Ghazi Zeaiter, Minister of Industry, Government of Lebanon where we met at his Parliament Offices in Beirut. Meeting conducted in Arabic and briefed during/after where we signed legal agreement for fund recovery. Regrettably this amounted to nothing. Hussain Lootah was in contact with Lootah himself and Mona Lootah (sister) during this period. I have nothing but praise for Mr. Hussain Lootah (1st cousin of Jamal Lootah) in his genuine attempt to assist us in fund recovery. Unfortunately, it is my opinion he also was unable to proceed with the assistance due to family pressure.
It was after this visit we were threatened and successfully forced to defend ourselves in Lebanese court for supposed “harassment” of Lootah/managers i.e. attempting to locate our funds illegally transferred offshore!
The facts to date cannot be changed. Going forward who knows. You must appreciate the reality is this gentleman's company stole the life savings of 87 families (ref: DIFC ARB001/2010), absconded from Dubai to live in Egypt days before our investment was owed, was sued successfully via an international sanctioned jurisdiction (DIFC & Dubai Courts) and returned 4 years later to live next door to the people he fleeced and the Dubai police, CID, DIFC & Dubai courts, rulers office, lawyers i.e. the UAE and Dubai justice system simply wont act as they broadcast internationally. Instead, what we find is a never ending spiral of excuses, false truths and delays. In short, all parties will only do the necessary required but when it comes to enforcement and justice (the pointy end) no one is willing to take responsibility and act. If we were a well-connected international organisation, this case would be settled. We are not.
The evidence I have over 5 years is proof in itself Dubai is NOT the modern and civilised city they wish to convince the world it is.
In other words “Justice delayed is justice denied” and this should be seen internationally as a breach of human rights for 87 families resident in a country, working for an international airline of that country, EMIRATES, that promulgates itself as fair and just and where rule of law is practised. With our case extending well over five years with no end / justice in sight, being continually referred from one authority to another; then ours is certainly a case of justice denied would you not agree?
To prove your point. I have continually advised all courts, Al Tamimi (ref. DIFC affidavit) that Lootah co-invested with us on a previous project in Ras Al Khaimah, RAK Properties (ref. DIFC award) and he subsequently walked away/did not*contest*AED 20+ million deposit when he fled for Egypt (ref: Hussain Lootah & Associates confirmation from RAK Properties). Again the courts/others refused to look into this and with no answers - even during Dubai courts enforcement phase. These funds recovered would be a large part of what is owed? Nobody in the UAE courts, legal entities, other seem to care when presented with this evidence.
Is this rule of law? Is this not CRIMINAL? Is this justice?
https://www.change.org/p/hh-shk-moha...concepts-vs-lo
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My friend my post got the attention it deserved simply because, beside the obvious exaggeration, its the truth from a purely ethical point of view if you know what I'm talking about. I also believe change.org is a platform for socially or ethically relevant petition. I have never seen anything like a petition to resolve private and purely economical disputes. Beside I find it hypocritical .There are so many socially ethically relevant causes to bring to attention of the public to be found in Dubai. Even if genuinely hope, being a supporter of legality regardless, they will recover their funds and send the prick to jail I personally think, that using the change.org platform its a stretch and could also be counterproductive for someone that profited, or tried to profit, from that very system.
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Nigel..why don't you write a book about it?
It may be the only way to bring about some awareness of what's been happening here over the years.
At the very least get some serious interest from some of the major publications around the world.
It may be the only way to bring about some awareness of what's been happening here over the years.
At the very least get some serious interest from some of the major publications around the world.
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Goodluck to everyone affected by this, you have my deepest and sincerest sympathies.
It is yet another cautionary tail that shows the difference in rules as to how they are applied.
Whenever I hear of those considering a house purchase, investment scheme or some other leveraged money making scheme that eminates from this part of the world I politely remind the individual that they should be prepared to lose the lot.
The 1st world may be just as corrupt, but at least regulators are for the most part impartial and will prosecute wrong doers (big banks not withstanding)
It is yet another cautionary tail that shows the difference in rules as to how they are applied.
Whenever I hear of those considering a house purchase, investment scheme or some other leveraged money making scheme that eminates from this part of the world I politely remind the individual that they should be prepared to lose the lot.
The 1st world may be just as corrupt, but at least regulators are for the most part impartial and will prosecute wrong doers (big banks not withstanding)
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Have brought this into the limelight again as they only need one more signature. Time to show a bit of unity and support for our fellow friends and colleagues if we can.
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"You could be next”
Most of you would probably agree that to speak out against anyone in a position of power, in this part of the world (DUBAI) at least, seems a pointless exercise. We accept that part of having “a good job” involves giving our silent consent to those who would commit injustices against us. We become complicit in our own misery because we are too afraid of what might happen if we voice our concerns. But any time we witness an injustice and don’t act, we train our character to become passive in the presence of injustice and eventually lose all ability to defend ourselves and the ones we love.
Please sign our petition (link below). Anonymously if you prefer.
https://www.change.org/p/hh-shk-moha...concepts-vs-lo
“Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope….and crossing each other from a million different centres of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.” – Robert Kennedy
“People beware of injustice, for injustice shall be darkness on the Day of Judgment”. – Muhammad
Please sign our petition (link below). Anonymously if you prefer.
https://www.change.org/p/hh-shk-moha...concepts-vs-lo
“Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope….and crossing each other from a million different centres of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.” – Robert Kennedy
“People beware of injustice, for injustice shall be darkness on the Day of Judgment”. – Muhammad
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EIGHTY-SEVEN (87) SENIOR EMIRATES AIRLINE EMPLOYEES (pilots, engineers, senior managers, senior cabin crew, etc) OWED USD 12.5 MILLION DOLLARS BY UAE NATIONAL JAMAL AUF ABDULRAHMAN LOOTAH.
An appeal to HH Shk. Ahmed, Chairman and Chief Executive of EMIRATES Airline.
One would like to believe a company that promotes itself internationally, such as Emirates, the Chairman and Chief Executive would like to do his utmost to see 87 of his senior employees (families) delivered justice. Not just internationally but in his own back yard where he has total control. Not only through himself but also via his uncle Shk. Mohammed, Ruler of Dubai.
The advice of HH Shk. Ahmed to the managing director of Property Concepts was clear “follow the UAE legal system and justice will be served”. Respectfully, Shk. Ahmed, five years later and we are still waiting for justice to be served. The fact is that case DIFC ARB001/2010 has been five years in the UAE justice system with no justice in sight. The fact is that $12.5 million USD, per DIFC Award ARB001/2010, remains outstanding to 87 of your senior employees. The fact is Jamal Lootah walks free under the guise of having a close association with your family.
“Justice delayed is justice denied” (United States Chief Justice Warren E. Burger).
if someone is black, white, purple, green, latino, asian or arab - whatever colour your skin is you deserve justice and your rights no matter if you are from the UAE or not. If enforcement of our case means no settlement with funds then ensure Jamal Lootah is jailed for his actions as your courts strongly promulgate they will/should.
I have solid written proof with everything I have declared.*Please feel free to contact me on email: [email protected].
Nigel
http://www.theemiratesgroup.com/engl...eadership.aspx
An appeal to HH Shk. Ahmed, Chairman and Chief Executive of EMIRATES Airline.
One would like to believe a company that promotes itself internationally, such as Emirates, the Chairman and Chief Executive would like to do his utmost to see 87 of his senior employees (families) delivered justice. Not just internationally but in his own back yard where he has total control. Not only through himself but also via his uncle Shk. Mohammed, Ruler of Dubai.
The advice of HH Shk. Ahmed to the managing director of Property Concepts was clear “follow the UAE legal system and justice will be served”. Respectfully, Shk. Ahmed, five years later and we are still waiting for justice to be served. The fact is that case DIFC ARB001/2010 has been five years in the UAE justice system with no justice in sight. The fact is that $12.5 million USD, per DIFC Award ARB001/2010, remains outstanding to 87 of your senior employees. The fact is Jamal Lootah walks free under the guise of having a close association with your family.
“Justice delayed is justice denied” (United States Chief Justice Warren E. Burger).
if someone is black, white, purple, green, latino, asian or arab - whatever colour your skin is you deserve justice and your rights no matter if you are from the UAE or not. If enforcement of our case means no settlement with funds then ensure Jamal Lootah is jailed for his actions as your courts strongly promulgate they will/should.
I have solid written proof with everything I have declared.*Please feel free to contact me on email: [email protected].
Nigel
http://www.theemiratesgroup.com/engl...eadership.aspx
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I am one of the investors in this case. A good example by law should be made of Mr Lootah.
To attract business in UAE investors need confidence. Justice should be served to anyone who goes against the law, being local and/or expat.
I hope our case will be heard and action taken, as this long lasting endeavor has set back many families, all whom which had prior confidence in the system.
To attract business in UAE investors need confidence. Justice should be served to anyone who goes against the law, being local and/or expat.
I hope our case will be heard and action taken, as this long lasting endeavor has set back many families, all whom which had prior confidence in the system.
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If you are suggesting 87 senior Emirates pilots, managers, engineers and cabin crew are “ignorant” I think you should re think your statement. Many Emirates employees who became Property Concepts shareholders were far from ignorant or financially illiterate. What they did is believe should something go wrong then justice would eventually prevail having had their investment protected through the DIFC LCIA & Courts. Trusting what was promulgated was bound by rule of law.
A sense of confidence in the courts is essential to maintain the fabric of ordered liberty for a free people and three things could destroy that confidence and do incalculable damage to society: that people come to believe that inefficiency and delay will drain even a just judgment of its value; that people who have long been exploited in the smaller transactions of daily life come to believe that courts cannot vindicate their legal rights from fraud and over-reaching; that people come to believe the law - in the larger sense - cannot fulfil its primary function to protect them and their families in their homes, at their work, and on the public streets.”
United States Chief Justice Warren E. Burger
What is ignorant is people like you that feel to simply ‘write off’ 12.5M USD is acceptable. Whether or not any funds are returned to its rightful owners remains to be seen but regardless justice and rule of law states (ref: DIFC ARB001/2010) that Lootah, as a sole establishment owner, must be incarcerated for breaking the law.
I have included two recent links below that I suggest you should take the time to read.
It seems the ‘new’ rules are its OK for long term Dubai residents that helped make Dubai and the UAE what it is today become victims of the injustice of the system/law. It’s now a criminal offence to disagree with the injustice publicly. For the record we have always followed legal processes to the letter of the law and attempted to respect all local protocol over the past 5 years.
In short; it’s acceptable to take large sums of money offshore (life savings of 87 Emirates families ref: Lootah bank statements), abscond from Dubai to live in Egypt, be sued successfully via an international sanctioned jurisdiction (DIFC & Dubai Courts) and return 4 years later to live next door to the people you fleeced and the Dubai police, CID, DIFC & Dubai courts, rulers office, lawyers i.e. the UAE and Dubai justice system simply won't collaborate to enforce and deliver justice. Apparently this is OK but just don't tell anyone/share your plight or you will be arrested, jailed and deported. Justice must be funds retuned or Lootah incarcerated.
Chief Justice DIFC Courts: “The DIFC Courts and Dubai Courts are both dedicated to providing world-class justice and are both committed to ensuring that judgments are enforced. The final judgment is not the end of the process for either court in our mission to provide swift and efficient justice; if that judgment is not honoured we will collaborate to enforce it and to deliver justice. If a person or company does not honour a judgment of either Court it becomes necessary for the Courts to enforce the judgment, whether by seizing property and money or, ultimately, by imprisonment.
If this case was in a less developed country or one that had no desire to be accepted into the first world system then maybe we would have to accept that. But this is a country that has monumental enthusiasm to be taken seriously by the developed world. If you want to be part of that system then you must have systems that prove rule of law is actively practiced, not just when it suits.
DIFC authority Chief legal officer Roberta Calarese recently stated in an email to Property Concepts “enforcement of arbitral awards is a matter exclusively for the DIFC Court as determined under Dubai Law No. 9 of 2004”. I totally agree with this statement from Mr. Calarese. Unfortunately, after five years it is obvious the DIFC Courts are not willing to collaborate with Dubai Court, CID, Police, whomever to ensure justice in case DIFC ARB 001/2010 as they certainly broadcast internationally.
“Justice = what you say you'll do - what you actually do”
Nigel
If you are suggesting 87 senior Emirates pilots, managers, engineers and cabin crew are “ignorant” I think you should re think your statement. Many Emirates employees who became Property Concepts shareholders were far from ignorant or financially illiterate. What they did is believe should something go wrong then justice would eventually prevail having had their investment protected through the DIFC LCIA & Courts. Trusting what was promulgated was bound by rule of law.
A sense of confidence in the courts is essential to maintain the fabric of ordered liberty for a free people and three things could destroy that confidence and do incalculable damage to society: that people come to believe that inefficiency and delay will drain even a just judgment of its value; that people who have long been exploited in the smaller transactions of daily life come to believe that courts cannot vindicate their legal rights from fraud and over-reaching; that people come to believe the law - in the larger sense - cannot fulfil its primary function to protect them and their families in their homes, at their work, and on the public streets.”
United States Chief Justice Warren E. Burger
What is ignorant is people like you that feel to simply ‘write off’ 12.5M USD is acceptable. Whether or not any funds are returned to its rightful owners remains to be seen but regardless justice and rule of law states (ref: DIFC ARB001/2010) that Lootah, as a sole establishment owner, must be incarcerated for breaking the law.
I have included two recent links below that I suggest you should take the time to read.
It seems the ‘new’ rules are its OK for long term Dubai residents that helped make Dubai and the UAE what it is today become victims of the injustice of the system/law. It’s now a criminal offence to disagree with the injustice publicly. For the record we have always followed legal processes to the letter of the law and attempted to respect all local protocol over the past 5 years.
In short; it’s acceptable to take large sums of money offshore (life savings of 87 Emirates families ref: Lootah bank statements), abscond from Dubai to live in Egypt, be sued successfully via an international sanctioned jurisdiction (DIFC & Dubai Courts) and return 4 years later to live next door to the people you fleeced and the Dubai police, CID, DIFC & Dubai courts, rulers office, lawyers i.e. the UAE and Dubai justice system simply won't collaborate to enforce and deliver justice. Apparently this is OK but just don't tell anyone/share your plight or you will be arrested, jailed and deported. Justice must be funds retuned or Lootah incarcerated.
Chief Justice DIFC Courts: “The DIFC Courts and Dubai Courts are both dedicated to providing world-class justice and are both committed to ensuring that judgments are enforced. The final judgment is not the end of the process for either court in our mission to provide swift and efficient justice; if that judgment is not honoured we will collaborate to enforce it and to deliver justice. If a person or company does not honour a judgment of either Court it becomes necessary for the Courts to enforce the judgment, whether by seizing property and money or, ultimately, by imprisonment.
If this case was in a less developed country or one that had no desire to be accepted into the first world system then maybe we would have to accept that. But this is a country that has monumental enthusiasm to be taken seriously by the developed world. If you want to be part of that system then you must have systems that prove rule of law is actively practiced, not just when it suits.
DIFC authority Chief legal officer Roberta Calarese recently stated in an email to Property Concepts “enforcement of arbitral awards is a matter exclusively for the DIFC Court as determined under Dubai Law No. 9 of 2004”. I totally agree with this statement from Mr. Calarese. Unfortunately, after five years it is obvious the DIFC Courts are not willing to collaborate with Dubai Court, CID, Police, whomever to ensure justice in case DIFC ARB 001/2010 as they certainly broadcast internationally.
“Justice = what you say you'll do - what you actually do”
Nigel
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Blue, you and your co investors have been wronged as recognised by the courts. Don't think anyone here will dispute that. Whilst Muttley was a bit blunt I tend to agree with him. I had an instance where the law did not provide justice to me in my own country...I certainly don't expect it here. Before your investment career started, if Mr Lootah and you were involved in a traffic accident would you have expected to be protected??
Good luck all the same.
Good luck all the same.
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Actually , the statement
, doesn't appear to be sound financial due diligence .
Maltese added " had prior confidence " .
Under what basis , was the legal system ever tested ?? Seems you all hoped for the best .
And as I have said before , if you had been in the ME as long as you said , then you should have been aware enough of what you attempting to so diligently warn others of now . Nothing has changed from when you were in the ME to date . I am sure that there were enough warning signs at the time , as they are now . Has your government offered to step in ? If it is a court judgement , then why not ? Because , money talks ..BS walks .Human nature is a b..ch . We all see and hear what we want . Even with your public representation of this issue , people will still line up around the block for the next "great ,secure , legally guaranteed investment" , as you did at the time .
Those links you posted , go back 10 years , probably more of the same , someone else will take the job , someone else will invest , because they know better .
However , as JB said , Good luck all the same .
As Muttley implied , you were either ignorant, naive or greedy . If you only wish positive reviews , this is the wrong forum .
What they did is believe that should something go wrong then justice would eventually prevail
Maltese added " had prior confidence " .
Under what basis , was the legal system ever tested ?? Seems you all hoped for the best .
And as I have said before , if you had been in the ME as long as you said , then you should have been aware enough of what you attempting to so diligently warn others of now . Nothing has changed from when you were in the ME to date . I am sure that there were enough warning signs at the time , as they are now . Has your government offered to step in ? If it is a court judgement , then why not ? Because , money talks ..BS walks .Human nature is a b..ch . We all see and hear what we want . Even with your public representation of this issue , people will still line up around the block for the next "great ,secure , legally guaranteed investment" , as you did at the time .
Those links you posted , go back 10 years , probably more of the same , someone else will take the job , someone else will invest , because they know better .
However , as JB said , Good luck all the same .
As Muttley implied , you were either ignorant, naive or greedy . If you only wish positive reviews , this is the wrong forum .
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Never suggested to give up . Just don't pontificate under the guise of an altruistic mantra . It was a set of individuals' right to invest for their/your own gain and the petition signatures sought are solely to benefit these individuals .This is not a fight against the system ,it is a fight for individual recompense .
Maybe a petition for the chopper pilot ?
The Dutch girl jailed because she reported her rape ? Others who lost their freedom ? There is a lot more wrong with the ME judicial system than what this case represents .
Fight by all means , but this is where some differ and it got someone blocked . When you make something public and seek support . There will be differences of opinion , but as usual . Very dismissive attitudes to the ones who don't give unwavering support .
Even Muttley's post , while I believe was intended to be actually supportive was taken out of context and attacked . $12.5 will make anyone testy , but again ..enter the court of public opinion and ......Maybe the belief was that if the opinions didn't go your way or due to your prior confidence in the PPrune system , then justice ( bans ) would prevail .
Right ... Gotcha ??!!
Maybe a petition for the chopper pilot ?
The Dutch girl jailed because she reported her rape ? Others who lost their freedom ? There is a lot more wrong with the ME judicial system than what this case represents .
Fight by all means , but this is where some differ and it got someone blocked . When you make something public and seek support . There will be differences of opinion , but as usual . Very dismissive attitudes to the ones who don't give unwavering support .
Even Muttley's post , while I believe was intended to be actually supportive was taken out of context and attacked . $12.5 will make anyone testy , but again ..enter the court of public opinion and ......Maybe the belief was that if the opinions didn't go your way or due to your prior confidence in the PPrune system , then justice ( bans ) would prevail .
Right ... Gotcha ??!!
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"Almost all persons affected by this case are senior EMIRATES Airline employees and have lost their life savings and now require your support."
When Bluewater says "life savings" I really hope he is exaggerating. I can understand people investing in a property scheme in Dubai but to put everthing into it? Sorry, but that is on the stupid (or greedy) side of naive.
Still, there is no doubt that justice has been denied so good luck.
When Bluewater says "life savings" I really hope he is exaggerating. I can understand people investing in a property scheme in Dubai but to put everthing into it? Sorry, but that is on the stupid (or greedy) side of naive.
Still, there is no doubt that justice has been denied so good luck.
