Emirates Alternative?
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From: Indonesia
Emirates Alternative?
Hey,
It seems like an awful lot of folks are unhappy with life at the Middle Eastern carriers like Emirates...
Take a look at the list of airlines currently hiring B777 Commanders and FOs below - some of whom offer decent commuting contracts.
I am sure there are more but these are only the ones I have spotted in the last few weeks. Good luck to all of you.
It seems like an awful lot of folks are unhappy with life at the Middle Eastern carriers like Emirates...
Take a look at the list of airlines currently hiring B777 Commanders and FOs below - some of whom offer decent commuting contracts.
- British airways
- Turkish
- EVA Air
- Korean Air
- Vietnam Airlines
- China Southern
- Air China Cargo
I am sure there are more but these are only the ones I have spotted in the last few weeks. Good luck to all of you.
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From: ...second left, past the lights.
Yes, a strange one that one, Heavy. It runs hot and cold.
Must be "jogging on the spot" and ready right there, it seems.
There must be plenty of internal upgrades through their fleets, for the 773 and 787's still to come.
Locals must be jumping for joy
Happy Landings.
Must be "jogging on the spot" and ready right there, it seems.
There must be plenty of internal upgrades through their fleets, for the 773 and 787's still to come.
Locals must be jumping for joy
Happy Landings.
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From: Washington DC, USA
Ive been at EVA Air for 3.5 years. Commuting contract is a joke. It cant be considered a commutable contract at all. Only entitled to 8 days off in a row. You must commute on your time. Cannot start operating from any destination near your home country (unless you bribe the schedulers, which happens). Salary... HA! Gross $6400 USD pre-taxes. Taiwan taxes at around 18-20% tax rate. They give you housing, which is one of the only good benefits if you are single. But you can't live in the company building with a family. And if you live outside the building with your family, they offer only $800 USD per month as compensation.... Pilots are leaving left and right
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From: timbuktu
Fliion,
I have heard through the grapevine that there are 3-4 carriers only out of the many in china that are worth going to.
Hainan
China Southern
SF Cargo
China Airlines
That is in the order that was given to me. Also, I was told that you get fined for various things there such as not downloading your OFP on time or if you get struck by lightning. Still, I am interested to know more just as you are if anyone can shed more light.
I have heard through the grapevine that there are 3-4 carriers only out of the many in china that are worth going to.
Hainan
China Southern
SF Cargo
China Airlines
That is in the order that was given to me. Also, I was told that you get fined for various things there such as not downloading your OFP on time or if you get struck by lightning. Still, I am interested to know more just as you are if anyone can shed more light.
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Thanks Transit.
I think he meant Air China - they are hiring onto 777F at moment.
China Airlines is Taiwanese however that are also hiring CAPTs/FOs.
The last time HNA opened for hiring & $350 they shut it down after six weeks due enough applicants.
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I think he meant Air China - they are hiring onto 777F at moment.
China Airlines is Taiwanese however that are also hiring CAPTs/FOs.
The last time HNA opened for hiring & $350 they shut it down after six weeks due enough applicants.
f.
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From: Subzero
The last time HNA opened for hiring & $350 they shut it down after six weeks due enough applicants.
I'm done with smoking on the flight deck, so not for me.
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From: In Fresh Air
Well one thing for sure at EK, it is in no way any sort of commuting contract. Eight days off in a row...that would be a dream for most EK pilots. Can't even get 8 days off in a row for leave sometimes.
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From: Planet Earth
pilot bottom line
What airlines don't realise and/or not care about is that pilot life is all about 2 things and 2 things only:
1) Rostering (this includes destinations, day/night operations, days off and leave)
2) Money (this is about cost of living and whats left over for saving after all bills)
Other issues like ease of admin (ME carriers are big on this) or ticketing is nice, but not pivotal to happiness. Schools are important for folks with kids and school fees would play a role here. Housing is important too, but already covered in 2)
The days when airlines were run by pilots proved to be disastrous economically for the airlines. The days where airlines ARE run by accountants are disastrous for crew morale and attrition rates due the negligence of the 2 main items above.
When do we get to a healthy and mutually respecting, win-win crew management style? I think we are on the way there, but the process is slow and still in the starting blocks. Are we going to hear the opening bell on this one?
Hope to see this before I retire..
Good luck to all of us.
1) Rostering (this includes destinations, day/night operations, days off and leave)
2) Money (this is about cost of living and whats left over for saving after all bills)
Other issues like ease of admin (ME carriers are big on this) or ticketing is nice, but not pivotal to happiness. Schools are important for folks with kids and school fees would play a role here. Housing is important too, but already covered in 2)
The days when airlines were run by pilots proved to be disastrous economically for the airlines. The days where airlines ARE run by accountants are disastrous for crew morale and attrition rates due the negligence of the 2 main items above.
When do we get to a healthy and mutually respecting, win-win crew management style? I think we are on the way there, but the process is slow and still in the starting blocks. Are we going to hear the opening bell on this one?
Hope to see this before I retire..
Good luck to all of us.
