Ebola - disturbing conversation
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The banker and his cronies are just spreading rumours so they can upset the markets and make a killing. Nothing like wildly fluctuating markets and commodity prices for bankers to make a killing.
Let's just go back a little less than 100 years. The world suffered from a pandemic that makes Ebola look like chicken pox. It was called the Spanish Influenza and it killed somewhere between 3% and 5% of the worlds population.
More people died from Spanish 'Flu than were killed in the whole of WW1. In one year, Spanish 'Flu killed more people than 4 years of the Black Death did (Bubonic Plague - 1347-1351).
The Spanish 'Flu infected a fifth of the worlds population. A cure for Spanish 'Flu was unknown, and there was no reliable treatment for it.
No country was spared - not even the remote ones. Vast numbers of people caught the Spanish Flu - including both my mother and father.
They both survived, as did a lot of others who caught it.
Regardless - the world kept running, and the markets didn't crash, and neither did the worlds economies.
Ebola threatens airlines and airline travel more than anything, right about now. If infections increase, one of the first areas to suffer will be airline travel, as countries commence to restrict air travel, because it is the fastest and most guaranteed way of spreading Ebola world wide.
Let's just go back a little less than 100 years. The world suffered from a pandemic that makes Ebola look like chicken pox. It was called the Spanish Influenza and it killed somewhere between 3% and 5% of the worlds population.
More people died from Spanish 'Flu than were killed in the whole of WW1. In one year, Spanish 'Flu killed more people than 4 years of the Black Death did (Bubonic Plague - 1347-1351).
The Spanish 'Flu infected a fifth of the worlds population. A cure for Spanish 'Flu was unknown, and there was no reliable treatment for it.
No country was spared - not even the remote ones. Vast numbers of people caught the Spanish Flu - including both my mother and father.
They both survived, as did a lot of others who caught it.
Regardless - the world kept running, and the markets didn't crash, and neither did the worlds economies.
Ebola threatens airlines and airline travel more than anything, right about now. If infections increase, one of the first areas to suffer will be airline travel, as countries commence to restrict air travel, because it is the fastest and most guaranteed way of spreading Ebola world wide.
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So now a health worker in Texas as well as Madrid - has contracted Ebola - and they are considered the most prepared of all, not to mention the they wore protective clothing. What about the people they live with - no medical clothing.
I'm sorry, a guy with a thermometer at an airport in Jeddah ain't gonna stop this.
Doubling every four weeks.
Prepare for incoming.
Again I'm not saying it can't be contained - but if the market gets ahold of the fact that's it's in the ME - profound implications for airline/hotels - which, let's face it, is all we have here.
I really hope this banker is wrong
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I'm sorry, a guy with a thermometer at an airport in Jeddah ain't gonna stop this.
Doubling every four weeks.
Prepare for incoming.
Again I'm not saying it can't be contained - but if the market gets ahold of the fact that's it's in the ME - profound implications for airline/hotels - which, let's face it, is all we have here.
I really hope this banker is wrong
f.
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What makes you think that the ME would be the only place which will collapse?
Thermometer in JED is the same as the one in JFK. From your posts it seems that you really looking forward to it.
Thermometer in JED is the same as the one in JFK. From your posts it seems that you really looking forward to it.
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Not at all , you are getting the wrong tone.
I have a lot vested here. NY has a robust & varied economic engine, Dubai does not.
Also I believe that the host nation of the CDC has (not withstanding the cluster inTX) the resources & expertise to handle it.
The region here does not
I guess the reason for my posts is - and I don't think it will happen - is that UAE should shut down W Africa flights.
The more dramatic the reaction is here the stronger the response
It's essentially (cue your posts & others) a non event
It's a wake the Fcuk up call and act drastically now - a la banker - before it hurts us all
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I have a lot vested here. NY has a robust & varied economic engine, Dubai does not.
Also I believe that the host nation of the CDC has (not withstanding the cluster inTX) the resources & expertise to handle it.
The region here does not
I guess the reason for my posts is - and I don't think it will happen - is that UAE should shut down W Africa flights.
The more dramatic the reaction is here the stronger the response
It's essentially (cue your posts & others) a non event
It's a wake the Fcuk up call and act drastically now - a la banker - before it hurts us all
f.
I agree with fliion.
Thermometers will do nothing to stop the spread. The incubation period can be up to 21 days. So there is a good chance and infected person will slip passed undetected. Additionally, one has to be honest and write down that they have been to an Ebola affected country, now you are relying on individual honesty, and that is not going to cut the mustard.
I think cutting flight travel to these countries is the only way, to truly stop the spread until an effective vaccine can be developed.
Thermometers will do nothing to stop the spread. The incubation period can be up to 21 days. So there is a good chance and infected person will slip passed undetected. Additionally, one has to be honest and write down that they have been to an Ebola affected country, now you are relying on individual honesty, and that is not going to cut the mustard.
I think cutting flight travel to these countries is the only way, to truly stop the spread until an effective vaccine can be developed.
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If a person knew that they had been exposed to ebola, and resided in a country where there was no care left available due to the overwhelmed health care system (like Liberia). What makes us think that they would be honest on a questionnaire if they had the financial means and a way to fly to a country where they could get care, when it literally could be a matter of life or death for them.
I like to think most people are honest. But when faced with a potentially dire life-threatening situation, I'm not sure that honesty would prevail.
I like to think most people are honest. But when faced with a potentially dire life-threatening situation, I'm not sure that honesty would prevail.
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It is the WHO who should make more aggressive approach in fighting the virus.
They are the one (overpaid) body authorized to shut down airports and stop movements. If big Airlines stop flying there on their own there will be half a dozen bottom feeders to fill the gap...
What we see on the news is more or less relaxed approach of treating the situation in West Africa. Strict quarantines, cremations, triage, police lock down serum development... nothing is happening. It is amazing that everybody knows how contagious the dead body is and yet they bury them in shallow graves few meters from the houses. And the burial teams...kitchen gloves and cough masks?!?!? WTF! The whole WHO should simply be remodeled after this. It seems that they expect it to die down on its own.
EBOLA is the poor and insignificant countries problem
As for the pharmaceutical titans, it is much more interesting and lucrative to develop a new fancy lowering cholesterol drug...
They are the one (overpaid) body authorized to shut down airports and stop movements. If big Airlines stop flying there on their own there will be half a dozen bottom feeders to fill the gap...
What we see on the news is more or less relaxed approach of treating the situation in West Africa. Strict quarantines, cremations, triage, police lock down serum development... nothing is happening. It is amazing that everybody knows how contagious the dead body is and yet they bury them in shallow graves few meters from the houses. And the burial teams...kitchen gloves and cough masks?!?!? WTF! The whole WHO should simply be remodeled after this. It seems that they expect it to die down on its own.
EBOLA is the poor and insignificant countries problem
As for the pharmaceutical titans, it is much more interesting and lucrative to develop a new fancy lowering cholesterol drug...
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It may not become a global epidemic, but I'm sure every international business is drawing up 'what if' plans. They'd be foolish not to. Growth rates of developing epidemics are exponential, so beyond a certain tipping point, it will have the whole world in fear.
Take a look at SARS in HK, for a brief glimpse of what it does to the market.
Take a look at SARS in HK, for a brief glimpse of what it does to the market.
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That map should have a pink tinted Spain and US, given their imported infected medical staff and deaths. So, if the WHO can't even report the high profile known cases correctly, then what hope of them knowing the real picture and what hope of them reporting it honestly even if they did know what was happening?
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Official: 5 Passengers With Flu-Like Symptoms Arrive on International Flight | NECN
Just now hit the press-wire in Boston.... EK237 lands: people dressed in astronaut gear remove 5 passengers with "flu-like symptoms".
I believe the panic is starting to spread rapidly. Is it purely paranoia, or could these types of events be more of a regular occurrence around the globe moving forward.
I suspect the latter, UFN.
FP
Just now hit the press-wire in Boston.... EK237 lands: people dressed in astronaut gear remove 5 passengers with "flu-like symptoms".
I believe the panic is starting to spread rapidly. Is it purely paranoia, or could these types of events be more of a regular occurrence around the globe moving forward.
I suspect the latter, UFN.
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NBC's medical correspondent goes out and about
NBC?s medical correspondent ?violated Ebola quarantine? | New York Post
"An NBC News crew was ordered under mandatory quarantine for possible Ebola infection after the network’s chief medical correspondent was allegedly spotted on a food run to a New Jersey restaurant, according to a report.
Dr. Nancy Snyderman and her crew had agreed to a voluntary quarantine when they returned to the United States from West Africa last week following their exposure to a cameraman who contracted the deadly virus.
But Snyderman, who lives in Princeton, NJ, was spotted outside the Peasant Grill in nearby Hopewell on Thursday afternoon..."
So, here you have a physician who should know better, and yet is out and about.
The virus will continue to enter other countries AND continue to spread within those countries.
Here is an additional article where the World Health Organization warns that a male who survives Ebola can still infect others via his semen for approximately 90 days afterward.
Male Ebola survivors told: Use a condom
How many guys are going to be that responsible after, or have the means to afford condoms?...
"An NBC News crew was ordered under mandatory quarantine for possible Ebola infection after the network’s chief medical correspondent was allegedly spotted on a food run to a New Jersey restaurant, according to a report.
Dr. Nancy Snyderman and her crew had agreed to a voluntary quarantine when they returned to the United States from West Africa last week following their exposure to a cameraman who contracted the deadly virus.
But Snyderman, who lives in Princeton, NJ, was spotted outside the Peasant Grill in nearby Hopewell on Thursday afternoon..."
So, here you have a physician who should know better, and yet is out and about.
The virus will continue to enter other countries AND continue to spread within those countries.
Here is an additional article where the World Health Organization warns that a male who survives Ebola can still infect others via his semen for approximately 90 days afterward.
Male Ebola survivors told: Use a condom
How many guys are going to be that responsible after, or have the means to afford condoms?...
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Just now hit the press-wire in Boston.... EK237 lands: people dressed in astronaut gear remove 5 passengers with "flu-like symptoms".
