EK Pay review

[The Outlaw]

For the record

And a big smoking hole in the ground with the famous tail emblem and the 24/7 BBC/CNN/NBC news coverage of how and why this happened...do you think there would be a shortage of people who would step up and say "I told them so"?

I highly doubt that is going to happen....

[flareflyer]

It seems very quiet.......
19th of may and nothing yet.....
Interesting......

[Mr Good Cat]

There will only be a pay review if the pay is going to be reviewed, right?

So if they're not changing it then why should there be a review? They don't HAVE TO give a pay rise every year. Contract's are not legally binding here, right?

[thrustidle74]

I think even if it's only a step increase we should have got a contact adjustment letter, if I'm not mistaken.
There's something fishy going on and I hope it'll be good for us and worth the wait.
And the scary thing is you are right Mr GC, contracts mean nothing in this part of the world.

[BANANASBANANAS]

If I was a conspiracy theorist it would not be difficult to link lack of news on pay rise, runway closure and extra mile in the same sentence.

I hope you are right thrustidle74 but I am neither holding my breath nor going the extra mile until I find out.

[Outatowner]

There will probably be something handed out this year to the great unwashed (us) but if they announce it today, tomorrow or next week, who cares, we'll have a year on the new level and get paid the same amount anyway. In the meantime standing under the balcony waiting for the master to throw a few crumbs is not very becoming.


Cat, they'll have a pay review this year, just like every year. The result of the review might be that the T&Cs are "just right for the industry" and "very competitive" and "generous" and an adjustment of the salary steps is not required. And other sh*t they've said in past years.

Separately, their "review" might also find that there is no need to award the increment step this year. Ask some of the old timers if this has happened before.

If you have a look at the fine print, the increment step is not guaranteed.


I have no idea WTF the outlaw is talking about.

[harry the cod]

Outatowner

Although technically correct, the step increments are very much a gentleman's agreement and those that have come from airlines with salary scales have always had them paid out, regardless of other salary increases. It should never, ever be considered part of a 'salary' negotiation and to recently start using it as such is deplorable.

For it to be accepted that it's at the discretion of the Company is bad enough. To have that principle accepted by a DSVP who's come from BA, an airline with automatic payscale steps, makes it even more disgraceful. Come on Capt. AS, show some integrity.

Still, let's wait until the review is announced, we may be pleasantly surprised!

Harry

[glofish]

Agree 100% Harry.

But one thing you learn quite rapidly in the sandpit is that integrity is the first thing you will miss here. But it's their culture.

What saddens me now is the decision to increasing the bond. It's basically an admittance to failure (why, see above), but the wrong remedy!
Just fighting the symptom while the disease silently continues to grow .......

[thatwasclose]

The last post . That's not appropriate . Capitalism is not cultural . I have seen westerners screw people just as much as everyone else . I know of a gulf airline where a long time employees wife had cancer . He had died over a year before and the insurance had lapsed . They paid for everything. Don't forget we westerners are here mainly because are own countries airlines screwed us or offered crap . I want my pay rise . Hell I really want more time on the ground . I am tired . Am sure you are the same , just don't lose sight of the fact all companies want to screw us . Capitalism is the exploitation of labour . We are the labour .

[Al Murdoch]

Never a truer word said.

[glofish]

Capitalism is not cultural

Right you are, but integrity is. Therefore your example shoots into void.

Capitalism is only an economic system. In the West it works with some ethics and rules that emanate from a social culture called democracy. It is mainly paired with the division of power into three pillars. Democratic rights should therefore be an important counterweight to the inherent excesses of capitalism.
Today in the West we can see what happens when this system gets out of bounds, especially in the financial sector. There is however a slight chance that the people eventually can correct it. Integrity means to integrate and to bring together, so these rights are essential to coerce a system back into its original design.

With cultural systems in certain parts of the world capitalism is an inherent failure from the beginning, it is a tool to tighten the grip. Every comparison with the West ("you get screwed there as well") is a cynical one. Exactly because there is no counterweight. A counterweight is the worst nightmare of certain "leaders". Therefore integrity is the first victim.

Try not giving the annual promised increase, even if it is not absolutely contractual, at a legacy carrier (EK likes to be seen as that), try even not to compensate inflation, try to fiddle the blatant inflation and try to sell a second half year worse than the first (a never seen in aviation the last 20 years) and see how far you get in a democracy as to compared to this part of the world and you get the meaning of integrity.

My biggest deception here was however not even the lack of it by local culture, it was the selling of a lot of bs by westeners with a look of a Basset, knowing that they are lying when they open their mouthes. You tend to believe them as a rookie, only to discover later that they are corrupted to the bone. Integrity, my @$$.

[thatwasclose]

Glofish, this is the wrong forum for us to have a debate on it. We all think our own cultures are the best. Ask a Jew about western integrity if you are European . Ask an older black man about it if you are American . We can talk about it on a layover. In the meantime where is my pay raise !

[harry the cod]

thatwasclose

I have no idea where it is but one thing is for certain, I know where it isn't. It is not in this months pay as last entries closed on 18th!

Harry

[Panther 88]

thatwasclose

I have no idea where it is but one thing is for certain, I know where it isn't. It is not in this months pay as last entries closed on 18th!

Harry

Another reason to think they are trying to sort something out. Too easy to say, "boys and girls....that's it. No soup for you." Gotta stay optimistic. OTOH.....

[White Knight]

Originally Posted by harry the cod

I have no idea where it is but one thing is for certain, I know where it isn't. It is not in this months pay as last entries closed on 18th!

Maybe payroll know what we don't! Just 'cos WE haven't been informed doesn't mean that the 'rise' won't be paid this month. It's always been added to the May pay!

[Shaky Hands]

Heard from a colleague whose friend flew with a guy who knows a man who heard from someone who knows someone in HR, anyway Pay Review email is apparently being sent to us on the 22nd May, tomorrow. Content not known. Fingers crossed.

[pilotrob23]

I talked to that guys cousin, and heard the same thing. Now hearing 8% for Captains, 6% for First Officers. I don't know who these friends of cousins are, but they are really in the know!

[motojet]

I heard 20% for Americans to prevent attrition and 3% for everyone else.

[Woopoops]

My guess, we'll be lucky to get anything more than 3%, but we'll get a good increase in allowances simply because it'll be going back where it came from. I know, I know, it won't be fair to everybody, I mean people with grown ups or no kids and people in the company accommodation. But then the hiring problem we'll probably there to stay, at least until next pay review.

[CAYNINE]

I hear a 1000 hrs has been approved and no overtime at all, offset by a large one off increase in basic.....

Do we start digging holes for the dead 330 guys....?